Has the two cuemakers been identified yet? Please keep me from having to read this entire thread to find out.
Unity cues!
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There's so much activity in the wanted/for sale forum it's hard to notice any newcomer cuemakers (to AZ) unless they become *extra* noticeable for one reason or another.
I have to say the quality of this response is about 100 times better than some I've seen from a few months ago. Props for that.
What you're missing, again, is that nobody is speaking down about your product (at least not the three stooges ;p), just the marketing tactic. Despite the fact that you've been making cues since 1999, I doubt anybody out here has ever heard of you. Tom Coker, on the other hand, is a lot more well-known. I would say he qualifies as a "well-known" American cuemaker. When Tommie threw out that statement, he drew the scrutiny of a few extremely curious members. It was pretty much an unintentional challenge for them to find out who was behind Unity. It didn't take too long.
As far as your current customers... maybe you're turning out cues at your normal pace and putting in extra hours towards Unity cues... but those extra hours could be put towards your current customers to get them their cues faster. If business is poor and your list of current customers is already taken care of, I apologize for implying they weren't, but this was a concern of mine when I heard about Unity the first time.
I'll be at SBE, but not to buy any cues.
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement.. I've heard of Pierce cues and they play fantastic.. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone as I've seen many of Jim's cues on AZ as well as many positive reviews..
Just because you may not be familiar with Pierce cues, that certainly does not mean that no one has heard of them.. Do a search, you'll find out that you are rather mistaken here.. JMHO!
You might sell even more if you spelled a bit better
Edit: check spelling of your website in your signature!
OT who cares who makes the cues? They're plain janes and they're affordable. It doesn't seem like the point here to look at them as investments. My guess is that cuemakers who have a massive backlog of orders wouldn't be participating..
Anyways it seems like a good idea. Line up entry level custom buyers with entry level cues. With some good customer service, I think it can work.
Out here = my current geographical location. As in, I doubt any pool player I know within 100 miles of Hampton Roads, Virginia has ever heard of him or his cues.
Both of you seem so certain of everything you write about us, without having any real evidence to back it up. You like to sit on the sidelines, here, and throw stones. But when it comes to the BIG stone, who we are, you apparently lack to the courage and the conviction to post it yourselves.
Instead, you see fit to spread rumors through private messages (and other two-faced means) as if they are 100% true facts, without ever visiting our shops or ever holding one of our Unity Cues. And hoping that someone else will post those names you provide and, in essence, do the "dirty work" that you yourselves seem too cowardly to do.
Well, it's post time, boys!
Show us some real proof, right here in this thread (no private messages), or stop spreading rumors.
You make statements, trying to "knock" our sales, like the following...
However, you fail to realize that these cues are made outside of our normal business hours and are not merely "lower-end" versions of our own cues, as you would imply. In case you didn't know, there is more than one way to make a great playing cue.
And believe it or not, we do this because we LOVE making cues; we do our very best to make sure each and every one of our customers is happy. It would be a good guess that virtually all cuemakers are out there trying to do the same.
Yet somehow, you seem to think that because you have an internet connection and an AZ Billiards account, you are entitled to dictate exactly how we should run our businesses and tell us exactly how we should spend our free time.
What do you boys do fun, besides harassing us and trying to stir up trouble?
Of course, everything we have just written here will all be in vain, because we know how the rest of this plays out.
You will sit there and nitpick apart everything we write, word by word, letter by letter, for no other reason than you have absolutely nothing better to do. And you will keep posting in every thread that bears the words "Unity Cues", as if the number of posts you make here actually correlates to your worth as a human being.
Like two teenage girls seeking attention, you will both continue to respond with more rumors, supposition, circular logic and cries of "This isn't about the cues!".
But it IS about the cues!
When you spread rumors and make claims about who we are, without facts, you are creating an instant connotation about how our cues play, and the methods of construction used -- all based on the two cuemakers names you provide.
You are quick to jump to the conclusion that by making these cues we must be "screwing over our [existing] customers" somehow.
I am truly sorry that your view on life is a "half empty glass".
Again, you have never held or played with our Unity Cues, yet you are quick to spread rumors that the cue must be made by _______ and _______, and therefore must play like the cues of two cuemakers you obviously appear to have a problem with for one reason or another.
Maybe one day you both will realize that the quality of any cue should be evaluated more deeply than just the signature or logo that sits on its surface.
I apologize for being offensive in the past, and I'll try to present my side of the argument in a more collected and easy-to-understand manner.
I've posted this maybe 6 times by now, but I'll try to make it as clear as possible:
Unity claims to be two well-known American cuemakers, but who decides what is "well-known"? Tommie? I've seen his for-sale threads. Here's an example:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=216741
Tommie says "This is one of the Classiest cues I have ever seen" in that thread.
While he is a salesman and it's expected for him to hype up a cue, I found that statement to be exceptionally different from my own opinion of the cue. Right away I know that our tastes in cues are mostly at odds. So, when he says Unity is two "well-known" American cuemakers, I'm immediately skeptical.
I heard from a friend who the cuemakers were, so I investigate further and discovered the virtually identical writing style between a post from Unity and a post from Pierce. That, for me, confirmed at least his involvement. I felt that was a "beyond resonable doubt" discovery.
So, concluding that Pierce was 1/2 of Unity, I felt that the statement "well-known" did NOT apply. He may be well-known to AZ and his local area, but he is not "well-known" nation-wide. Maybe Tommie meant specific to AZ, but that's not what he said. As far as I'm concerned, this is a lie.
I believe this is a resonable conclusion considering all of the information. Rumors aside, the writing styles in the two posts I compared earlier in this thread are identical.
Until anybody from Unity addresses this (and I really doubt they will), I'm going to stick to my confident conclusion that Pierce is 1/2 of Unity, and Tommie lied about the cuemakers being "well-known".
Again, I apologize for not stating my side of this argument in a less-offensive way. I look forward to a response from Tommie or UnityCustomCues.
I've posted this maybe 6 times by now, but I'll try to make it as clear as possible:
Unity claims to be two well-known American cuemakers, but who decides what is "well-known"? Tommie? I've seen his for-sale threads. Here's an example:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=216741
Tommie says "This is one of the Classiest cues I have ever seen" in that thread.
While he is a salesman and it's expected for him to hype up a cue, I found that statement to be exceptionally different from my own opinion of the cue. Right away I know that our tastes in cues are mostly at odds. So, when he says Unity is two "well-known" American cuemakers, I'm immediately skeptical.
I heard from a friend who the cuemakers were, so I investigate further and discovered the virtually identical writing style between a post from Unity and a post from Pierce. That, for me, confirmed at least his involvement. I felt that was a "beyond resonable doubt" discovery.
So, concluding that Pierce was 1/2 of Unity, I felt that the statement "well-known" did NOT apply. He may be well-known to AZ and his local area, but he is not "well-known" nation-wide. Maybe Tommie meant specific to AZ, but that's not what he said. As far as I'm concerned, this is a lie.
I believe this is a resonable conclusion considering all of the information. Rumors aside, the writing styles in the two posts I compared earlier in this thread are identical.
Until anybody from Unity addresses this (and I really doubt they will), I'm going to stick to my confident conclusion that Pierce is 1/2 of Unity, and Tommie lied about the cuemakers being "well-known".
Again, I apologize for not stating my side of this argument in a less-offensive way. I look forward to a response from Tommie or UnityCustomCues.
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Dear Mr. Unity Cues...
I have no problem with you or your cues. I've said several times now that I have never met either of you NOR have I ever played with a Unity cue. This was never about your cues. This was never about you as people. This was never about knocking your sales, etc.. It was never anout ANYTHING but this: Your business/marketing model was somewhat contraversial. And if you don't agree with that... well, here we are several months and several threads later and people are still debating it. That = contraversy.
If you don't want to deal with the fallout from said contraversy, don't do something contraversial. Its really that simple. I never posted your names in a public forum. Had I done so, I could understand your gripe. But I didn't do it. I never slammed the cues. I simply said that based on what I know, they weren't for me. I'm allowed that luxury, right? I'm allowed to not be interested in something. Correct?
Now... I may come across a Unity Cue some day and if I do, I'd LOVE to give it a whirl. And if it really is impressive, I'll be the first to come to AZ Billiards and start a thread saying "These cues play really, really well" and other words to that effect. I'd never apologize for anything I've said here as, to date, I still have never once insulted the cues or the cuemakers. I simply made a decision to NOT buy based on the results of a little asking around and deductive reasoning. When some present me with a deal, I NEVER blindly pull the trigger. I check around first to ensure that it is the real deal, so to speak. If that makes me an ass... then I'm an ass. And proud to be one. Because every time I spend a dime, I do so confident that I am getting what I want and what I pay for.
The issue here was the way in which these cues were marketed. Several threads and several months later (not to mention the results of this poll), I don't really think I'm alone in my line of thought. It seems pretty evident that there are others who agree with me. Again, this was never about slamming you or your product. You can try all you want to say “it IS about the cue”, but its not. Really.
To respond to that, all I can say is... (once again)… I never posted your name anywhere. I never said “Unity Cues is _____ & _____.” I simply used what I knew to make a decision for myself. Everything debated from there on out was nothing more than the marketing tactic used to sell the product. Its not nitpicking or arguing over semantics. It’s a fact. That’s all this was about. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you go after Jeff Duke as he started this thread asking for opinions. Again, if you don’t want the negative opinions, my best suggestion is, don’t do something that a NUMBER of people disagree with (at the time this is posted, roughly 65% agree with me here). As far as your statement that "when you spread rumors" you create "an instant connotation about how our cues play", I will say (AGAIN) I spread no such rumors. I never posted names in any of these threads. I just used that info to make my own decision. What I find curious is your knowledge that your names may indicate what the buyer should expect. Since you know that, why WOULDN'T the buyer WANT that knowledge??? And why am I a bad guy for using that knowledge for my own benefit???
I saw a decent price and I asked a few questions. I used some deductive reasoning and I figured out who the two cuemakers are. I never slammed either. I never slammed the cue. I simply used that information to make my own decision with regards to the product being sold. You may want to call me a coward or an a$$ or a teenage girl or any one of a number of other ridiculous names. That's your right. But if you truly feel that I'm a jackass for investigating what I may be spending my money on BEFORE I decided to spend it or not, then so be it. I'm a jerk for not blindly throwing my money at a cue I know nothing about. My bad.
As far as having "proof" or some kind of smoking gun that definitively identifies who you are? I don't have it. I have np pictures of anyone caught putting the Unity logo on a cue. I have no recorded conversation from either of the cuemakers saying "Yes! Its us." Perhaps thats why I never said "Unity Cues is ____ & _____. I just have what I feel is enough evidence FOR ME to spend my money elsewhere. Had this topic not been brought up by others, you might have no idea how I feel about this. Perhaps your gripe should be taken up with the people who start these threads. Not the ones who give the opinions others asked for.
I have no problem with you or your cues. I've said several times now that I have never met either of you NOR have I ever played with a Unity cue. This was never about your cues. This was never about you as people. This was never about knocking your sales, etc.. It was never anout ANYTHING but this: Your business/marketing model was somewhat contraversial. And if you don't agree with that... well, here we are several months and several threads later and people are still debating it. That = contraversy.
If you don't want to deal with the fallout from said contraversy, don't do something contraversial. Its really that simple. I never posted your names in a public forum. Had I done so, I could understand your gripe. But I didn't do it. I never slammed the cues. I simply said that based on what I know, they weren't for me. I'm allowed that luxury, right? I'm allowed to not be interested in something. Correct?
Now... I may come across a Unity Cue some day and if I do, I'd LOVE to give it a whirl. And if it really is impressive, I'll be the first to come to AZ Billiards and start a thread saying "These cues play really, really well" and other words to that effect. I'd never apologize for anything I've said here as, to date, I still have never once insulted the cues or the cuemakers. I simply made a decision to NOT buy based on the results of a little asking around and deductive reasoning. When some present me with a deal, I NEVER blindly pull the trigger. I check around first to ensure that it is the real deal, so to speak. If that makes me an ass... then I'm an ass. And proud to be one. Because every time I spend a dime, I do so confident that I am getting what I want and what I pay for.
The issue here was the way in which these cues were marketed. Several threads and several months later (not to mention the results of this poll), I don't really think I'm alone in my line of thought. It seems pretty evident that there are others who agree with me. Again, this was never about slamming you or your product. You can try all you want to say “it IS about the cue”, but its not. Really.
To respond to that, all I can say is... (once again)… I never posted your name anywhere. I never said “Unity Cues is _____ & _____.” I simply used what I knew to make a decision for myself. Everything debated from there on out was nothing more than the marketing tactic used to sell the product. Its not nitpicking or arguing over semantics. It’s a fact. That’s all this was about. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you go after Jeff Duke as he started this thread asking for opinions. Again, if you don’t want the negative opinions, my best suggestion is, don’t do something that a NUMBER of people disagree with (at the time this is posted, roughly 65% agree with me here). As far as your statement that "when you spread rumors" you create "an instant connotation about how our cues play", I will say (AGAIN) I spread no such rumors. I never posted names in any of these threads. I just used that info to make my own decision. What I find curious is your knowledge that your names may indicate what the buyer should expect. Since you know that, why WOULDN'T the buyer WANT that knowledge??? And why am I a bad guy for using that knowledge for my own benefit???
I saw a decent price and I asked a few questions. I used some deductive reasoning and I figured out who the two cuemakers are. I never slammed either. I never slammed the cue. I simply used that information to make my own decision with regards to the product being sold. You may want to call me a coward or an a$$ or a teenage girl or any one of a number of other ridiculous names. That's your right. But if you truly feel that I'm a jackass for investigating what I may be spending my money on BEFORE I decided to spend it or not, then so be it. I'm a jerk for not blindly throwing my money at a cue I know nothing about. My bad.
As far as having "proof" or some kind of smoking gun that definitively identifies who you are? I don't have it. I have np pictures of anyone caught putting the Unity logo on a cue. I have no recorded conversation from either of the cuemakers saying "Yes! Its us." Perhaps thats why I never said "Unity Cues is ____ & _____. I just have what I feel is enough evidence FOR ME to spend my money elsewhere. Had this topic not been brought up by others, you might have no idea how I feel about this. Perhaps your gripe should be taken up with the people who start these threads. Not the ones who give the opinions others asked for.
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Dude, it's a discussion forum. When you decide to sell your wares in a discussion forum, you deal with DISCUSSIONS. But since it IS a discussion forum, if you want to whine, keep whining.
I totally disagree.
In my opinion, the signature or logo is my reassurance of what kind of quality I can expect. The logo brings with it, all of the reputation of the brand. If the brand has a great reputation, then I may not need to question the quality anymore.
So, to say that the logo or signature should always be looked past is just naive.
Eric >Rolex, anyone?
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to tell the truth...
I didn't really want to post anymore, but someone is not telling the truth. I highlighted the important parts in BOLD above.
I received the following in a Private Message from Hierovision, dated 02-18-2011, 12:52 PM
Or is mia telling the truth that he never said "Unity Cues is _____ & _____." (and Hierovision is the one making it all up)...?
<<== starting to expect less and less from the pool world
I didn't really want to post anymore, but someone is not telling the truth. I highlighted the important parts in BOLD above.
I received the following in a Private Message from Hierovision, dated 02-18-2011, 12:52 PM
Now is Hierovision telling the truth, and mia is spreading the rumors around?Hierovision said:
Or is mia telling the truth that he never said "Unity Cues is _____ & _____." (and Hierovision is the one making it all up)...?
<<== starting to expect less and less from the pool world
"WOOOOOOOOW" We see that the three stooges are up early and at it again. We have apologize a half a dozen times for how Tommie worded his first post. Tommie really believes that we are both well know cue makers. Tommie was not trying to be misleading in any way and if anybody knows Tommie then you will no this to be true. And the poll numbers are wrong most of them are from you three B@#C@'s. The poll was about 20 pages back until you three GIRLS bumped it to the top. We are glad you are on here all day bumping our product to the top. We are way to busy unlike you three we have lives.
Thanks, Unity
Thanks, Unity
I didn't really want to post anymore, but someone is not telling the truth. I highlighted the important parts in BOLD above.
I received the following in a Private Message from Hierovision, dated 02-18-2011, 12:52 PM
Now is Hierovision telling the truth, and mia is spreading the rumors around?
Or is mia telling the truth that he never said "Unity Cues is _____ & _____." (and Hierovision is the one making it all up)...?
<<== starting to expect less and less from the pool world
He told me in a private conversation who he thought the Unity guys were (after I asked him). That's a far cry from posting it publicly or spreading a rumor. I took that information, went and found the two posts with identical styles, and verified it for myself.
I like how you gave the timestamp, makes it sound important.
The only person making anything up is you, trying to add drama to the thread. I'm definitely done communicating with you if I'm going to have to be 100% politically correct all the time, just to make sure you don't pull anything out of context or try to twist it around. Welcome to my ignore list. So far it's you and CocoboloCowboy.
Nothing is out of context and you know it.
You (or mia) just got caught in a lie.
I know for a FACT that you wouldn't want anyone spreading rumors or lies about you.
Maybe you should start holding yourself to the same high standard that you are trying to hold everyone else to.
<<== not surprised why pool players get a bad rap
I'll give you one more response before I pretend you don't exist.
If you consider mia answering my question about who he thought the cuemakers were in a private conversation "spreading a rumor" then he spread a rumor and lied by your standards. If you consider the part of his post where he mentioned "posting" specific to forums or public places, then you're wrong. He never "posted" that information anywhere public. We've spoken about it a handful of times and he made it clear he never got the information directly from either cuemaker. He was honest. We both verified it to our individual satisfactions.
Re-ignore lol.
If you consider mia answering my question about who he thought the cuemakers were in a private conversation "spreading a rumor" then he spread a rumor and lied by your standards. If you consider the part of his post where he mentioned "posting" specific to forums or public places, then you're wrong. He never "posted" that information anywhere public. We've spoken about it a handful of times and he made it clear he never got the information directly from either cuemaker. He was honest. We both verified it to our individual satisfactions.
Re-ignore lol.
I never said mia was posting his rumors in threads
Re-read my post again.
You seem to be missing something in addition to integrity.
Still awaiting mia's response. Or do the two of you need a moment to get your stories straight?
Once more....
Maybe you should start holding yourself to the same high standard that you are trying to hold everyone else to.
<<== can play detective too
Re-read my post again.
You seem to be missing something in addition to integrity.
How many other people has mia "verified" this information to?Hierovision said:
Still awaiting mia's response. Or do the two of you need a moment to get your stories straight?
Your nose continues to grow, Pinocchio.
Once more....
Maybe you should start holding yourself to the same high standard that you are trying to hold everyone else to.
<<== can play detective too