Unreasonably Upset

I know its bad form, and safety play is a huge part of the game, but that being said would this anger you guys.

League night and I broke and run down the table, unfortunately I got lazy on an easy stop shot for the out, and missed the shot leaving my ball on the short rail at the foot of the table.

The guy coming in has 7 wide open balls, nothing frozen, nothing touching another ball. He procedes to play safeties (four in a row) instead of trying to run out the table he had (i wouldnt call it a touch run out). On the fourth safety he got ball in hand and then ran 4 played another safety (again could have been out, the shots were there.) Long story short, i ended up loosing the game (hard to make a 2 rail kick for the win.

By the end of the game he could tell I was upset and came over and said good game, didnt think I would beat you. I responded with you didnt, I lost the game myself by not finishing. You by no means beat me. (Well he did beat me, but not in a way that deserves credit.) To me it was like when playing no cue ball fouls (bar rules around here) and scratching on purpose when your opponents only object ball is in the kitchen.

I know I am being a poor sport but to steal a line from Peter Griffin "It really grinds my gears." Now that I cooled off I understand I sounded like a dick and owe this player an apology but would this piss you off?

JM

Are you kidding? I wouldn't care if the ball stopped on the lights if I got one more shot at the table. You wouldn't have been mad if you would have kicked the 8 in.
 
the only thing that would piss me off was that I missed the last ball. He did exactly what he needed to do given his skill level to win. He may not have felt that was able to run all 7 out, so he kept control of the table until he could win. I would be bothered that I let it get away and certainly magnificently frustrated, but at no fault to him.
 
On the second or third safety I probably would have tried to tie up a couple of his balls.

Good point. I overlook tying balls up in favor of a "Hail Mary" kick.

Can't safeties be played only when you're at the table? I love it when they play a safety instead of a possible sure thing run out at least I get a chance.

What about games where the opponent misses 2 or 3 times but leaves no shot? That's what drives me up a wall.

Grady Mathews: 'If this was a different arena the scream of anguish could be heard blocks away".
 
Yes, that would be irritating. Yes, you should have been a good sport anyway. You meet all kinds of players out there. Sounds like he was afraid to shoot - he will never be good.

Chris
Do you think you could make your avatar a little bigger...LOL!
 
I've noticed most of the time when people post stuff like this it is after a loss.
 
Sorry, but he did beat you. If he didn't beat you it would be you talking about him playing safety after safety and you still beating him. If anything he played smart. From what I read....when he was not absolutely sure of a shot he shot a safety to give himself better position. In the end 100 innings is just as well as 0 innings if it ends in a win.

One of the best players I play on a regular basis rarely runs a rack. He rarely runs a rack and yet I will go 5-6 racks without an open shot. Any time he isn't positive about a shot he leaves me safe. If I do actually have a shot it is because of an odd miss or an odd open shot on an attempted safe. He plays smart and not hard.
 
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I know its bad form, and safety play is a huge part of the game, but that being said would this anger you guys.

League night and I broke and run down the table, unfortunately I got lazy on an easy stop shot for the out, and missed the shot leaving my ball on the short rail at the foot of the table.

The guy coming in has 7 wide open balls, nothing frozen, nothing touching another ball. He procedes to play safeties (four in a row) instead of trying to run out the table he had (i wouldnt call it a touch run out). On the fourth safety he got ball in hand and then ran 4 played another safety (again could have been out, the shots were there.) Long story short, i ended up loosing the game (hard to make a 2 rail kick for the win.

By the end of the game he could tell I was upset and came over and said good game, didnt think I would beat you. I responded with you didnt, I lost the game myself by not finishing. You by no means beat me. (Well he did beat me, but not in a way that deserves credit.) To me it was like when playing no cue ball fouls (bar rules around here) and scratching on purpose when your opponents only object ball is in the kitchen.

I know I am being a poor sport but to steal a line from Peter Griffin "It really grinds my gears." Now that I cooled off I understand I sounded like a dick and owe this player an apology but would this piss you off?

JM

It would piss me off. But in a situation where you can't lose on amount of fouls you make I would just tie his balls up.

I had a guy do this to me in a barbox 8 ball tournament in Cheyenne Wyoming.

I couldn't believe it when he played me safe with a wide open table. So I just made his balls cluster up with the idea that if he did decide to run out then it would be a little tougher. So he keeps doing it and I keep tying balls up until we get to a point where he has four balls clustered and he leaves me a kick shot where I can bury the cue ball under the eight and I execute it perfectly. He is lost at that point and tries to hit one of his balls, misses and with ball in hand I win.

It's a bit silly for a guy to this but sometimes players really don't feel that they can run out an open rack. One of my partners in Instroke was famous in league for this. He would actually practice the little dinky safeties for hours so that he could three foul people rather than attempt to run out. Everyone hated to play him because of this even though he still lost the majority of his league games. They just didn't want to fade this style of play.

I have to say though that I gained a healthy respect for the ways a person can play little touch safeties and freeze the cueball. So I would practice them as well and they have come in handy.

But remember the tie up balls move. There is always a chance when you do this that they can't get out.
 
While I agree the guy was probably a moron for not trying to run out, you let it get to you. Just blow it off and play your game, you can't control your opponent.

why is he a "moron" he got the win didnt he? the op went for the runout and lost. i dont get your reasoning here.

brian
 
Except for the "no matter what" part, it's actually not a bad way to be if you're a developing player. There are players who think run-out first, and then only think safe once they arrive at a situation where they know they have no realistic chance at completing the run. The longer these players continue playing 8-ball with this mentality, the less often they arrive at the situation where they can't get out, because every time they play they spend all their time practicing how to run out. Eventually, they're the players everyone in the league fears, because any time you miss they're a threat to get out. This basically describes my development in 8-ball; not that I was ever a GREAT 8-ball player, but I became that guy in my division who was fairly consistent at punishing mistakes (or celebrate successful breaks) with run-outs where others might duck.

Then there are players who look for the safety first (usually because they've been coached to do so by their captains), fearing the sell-out above all else. These players just never learn to run out. They think so hard about "what if I miss" at every open shot, that they teach themselves to think of nothing but missing. And as a 4, you can win a lot of matches, particularly against other 4s, by being cautious and thinking defensively. But you never truly become a good player. There were multitudes of these players in my division, and they made up winning teams a lot of the time, but they never improved.

To be a good pool player, you have to have a strong safety game, but in my opinion you also have to have a healthy disinclination to resort to it, at least for the portion of your development where you're trying to go from a player who runs some balls to a player who runs all the way out. Nothing will teach you to get all the way out other than being willing to go for it, IMO.

-Andrew

That fairly well describes where I'm at.

One of my curses is that I come up with shots nobody else would attempt and sometimes make them.

I'm coming to the conclusion that if the hard shot looks "RIGHT" immediately I go for it, if I have to sell myself on it I don't.

Last night, and this is not to be claimed as a typical game, I was playing 9 ball with a friend in the basement and made 3 balls on the break and saw a 3 cut into the 7 cut into the 9 combo that just jumped at me and it dropped right in.

In all honesty ... I probably should have looked for a safety on that one, but that time it worked.

LWW
 
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By the end of the game he could tell I was upset and came over and said good game, didnt think I would beat you. I responded with you didnt, I lost the game myself by not finishing. You by no means beat me.

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JM

The first and biggest problem you had was attitude. The reason he won is because he played better than you did, but you withhold giving him the credit for the win. Sure you missed, but no matter how you slice it, he played better than you did and he did beat you. You played your runout game, he played his safety game, and he won. Be gracious and give him the credit he deserves and get on with life.
 
Playing Not To Lose

I really like this topic.
We all miss easy shots and have to pay the consequences.
You opponent was playing not to lose, and in a sense was being a team player, concerned about losing one for the team.
In a league match I think it's OK to play that way, but if someone starts doing that in practice, I will go play by myself.
 
I know its bad form, and safety play is a huge part of the game, but that being said would this anger you guys.

League night and I broke and run down the table, unfortunately I got lazy on an easy stop shot for the out, and missed the shot leaving my ball on the short rail at the foot of the table.

The guy coming in has 7 wide open balls, nothing frozen, nothing touching another ball. He procedes to play safeties (four in a row) instead of trying to run out the table he had (i wouldnt call it a touch run out). On the fourth safety he got ball in hand and then ran 4 played another safety (again could have been out, the shots were there.) Long story short, i ended up loosing the game (hard to make a 2 rail kick for the win.

By the end of the game he could tell I was upset and came over and said good game, didnt think I would beat you. I responded with you didnt, I lost the game myself by not finishing. You by no means beat me. (Well he did beat me, but not in a way that deserves credit.) To me it was like when playing no cue ball fouls (bar rules around here) and scratching on purpose when your opponents only object ball is in the kitchen.

I know I am being a poor sport but to steal a line from Peter Griffin "It really grinds my gears." Now that I cooled off I understand I sounded like a dick and owe this player an apology but would this piss you off?

JM

You know. Reading this, i can only say one thing.

There is no niceness in pool!!!
Pool is about winning.
If you dogged it, and especially if you took something for granted, and didn't bear down when you should have, you have no one to blame but yourself and DESERVE to be punished and tortured for your mistake.

If i am playing you, i am playing to win. I am not playing you and trying to win in such a way so that it doesn't hurt your ego. If your ego can't handle it, DON'T PLAY! Forget that whole play nice garbage.
If it was me, i might have played safe like 50 times, or till you wanted to go shoot yourself. You missed so sit down and wait for your turn.

Wouldn't piss me off in the least as that is a part of pool.
The guy DID win.
A win is a win, regardless of how it happens.
 
I find getting mad for any reason to be counterproductive in competition ... one must control their emotions.

Getting mad at how someone else plays is really counterproductive because you have no control over how the other person plays. Having said that I see people get mad at other players for :

- playing too slowly
- getting lucky miss-safeties
- in 9 ball slopping in balls, especially the 9 ball
- talking too much
- playing what appear to be silly shots but getting out anyway
- playing better with worse equipment
- going to the bathroom at the wrong time
- plugging the jukebox and playing bad music
- etc. etc. etc.

As previously mentioned, the anger seems to come with a loss.

My advice : stop getting mad about things you cannot control. If you can't then you must try to hide your anger ... if I see someone getting upset at something I do, I may just do it more to ensure victory :grin-square:

Dave
 
Next time you play him return the favor. Im not a vindictive person but i like to mess with peoples head and get my point across without saying anything. He sounds like a complete Nit.

Take his money from him!!!
 
play your own game

you broke 2 rules of 8-ball - never run 7 balls - never impose your choice of shots on your opponent - we all have to get through our own day - when it's not your shot GIVE the table to the other guy - a man who squirms and hopes for a shot is hurting himself
 
I'll play safe until I get the out I want in that situation. Not my fault someone tries to run out, doesn't make it, and now I have a bunch of balls to play safe behind whenever I feel the urge.

Sometimes it costs me games, but hell I like playing safes in 8 ball. Next time get out, or don't try to run them all out and miss.
 
Here's the thing that I think ALL of the responders have overlooked on this thread: When jmizzo missed his last object ball, he left it ON THE SHORT RAIL AT THE FOOT OF THE TABLE. The opponent could have easily won this game without shooting FOUR safties. Even on a bad shooting night, as his opponent I would have run as many balls off of the table (and possibly running out as it WAS a "wide open" table) and if I got into any trouble whatsoever, could easily have put the cue ball on the short rail at the HEAD of the table with just about any object ball position I would have had left, more than likely giving me at least one more chance to get out or shooting another safety at that point. I almost always try for the runout on a wide open table. Then if I screw up a position shot, I then look for a good safe. I agree with an earlier poster that said this person will never be any good (for not trying for the runout).

Maniac
 
what??

How can you say the guy didnt beat you?? he just played smart untile he saw his opening!! get use to it safty is a big part of pool now. im old man but had to change with the times. with safteys&jump the balls!!!lo lo if i had done that back when i was young they would have throughed me OUT!!!!:confused::confused:
 
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