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chefjeff said:
Lets use some common sense, ok? Amphetamine pills are generally prescription pills, therefore there is no reason for them to be any different then they were in the 60's, and therefore they are probably of the same potency. The problem is I wasn't talking about diet pills! I'm talking about meth! Here is where the common sense comes in to play, which is also an irrefutable fact! After the attempted prohibition on amphetamine pills, over time, a chemically stronger, more potent form of the upper that can be injected, snorted, and smoked was made for those who could not obtain a prescription for the pills, and is now sold on the street. This is known as Methamphetamine, and crystal methamphetamine. PLEASE, REFUTE THAT!
LOL! The rest of the world refutes that "great" doctor! I didn't argue against any of your "facts", since you didn't use any facts TO MAKE YOUR OPINIONS VALID! I argued against your twisted, warped opinion that meth is not all that bad, and that it is OK to use! In response to my argument, which is both stemmed from personal experience and research, you present me with a single article, yes, a SINGLE MAN'S OPINION, that the meth epidemic is not all that bad! In the meanwhile, if you do a google search on meth, you get millions of results talking about the meth epidemic and how bad it is! And do you think that I believe people who use meth just drop dead like flies? Of course not! As is the case with all drugs, people don't die in hordes from them, I am arguing about the destruction of one's life and others around that person! I am arguing about the terrible physical and psychological effects the drug has on the user, you dummy!
LOL and please explain how what I am saying is exactly what a drug user would say? Drug users don't try to talk sense into others about how bad the drug is lol! They find excuses of how it can be beneficial, just like what you are doing! LOL you are a living joke!!
I would like to chime in on the meth debate. I don't know about where you are from but in Louisiana meth is an epedemic. On average Winn Parish which has about 20000 residents reports 4 meth related deaths per month. That is a staggering number of people per capita. I have argued with users who extol the benefits of drugs; they always try to trivialize the effects. The last argument I had with a meth head concluded by him confessing to me that he had lost 45 pounds in less than 4 months and had rubbed all the enamel off of his teeth, but he assured me there was nothing wrong with meth.LastTwo said:
Alcohol prohibition was an absolute disaster, leading directly to organized crime and corrupt police forces in every city in the country during the 20's, exactly as we have now, with the government supporting the pharmaceutical companies by giving them high profit monopolies on dangerous prescription drugs while incarcerating hundreds of thousands of people for using whatever drug they don't have a prescription for, leaving countless children to be raised with no parents.Travis Bickle said:
Legal drugs and prescription drugs kill 20 times more people than illegal drugs according to the governments own statistics.
Recently, the Supreme Court ruled against medical marijuana use, prompting a drug company to release research showing that cannabinoids are used in the brain to reduce pain, and say that this research will lead to new cannabinoid based pain relievers that will be much safer than the ones that are now being pulled of the market because they KILL PEOPLE!
Interesting that it only took about 1 day for them to do this research after the Supreme Court ruling ensured they would have a monopoly, isn't it?
Meth is bad, horrible, terrible, and I hate it, and drug companies that gave us this shit and governments that support it are bad too.
unknownpro
hemicudas said:
My math is real good, yeah! I just got home from the pool hall and halfway through my first beer I saw that goof and went back and fixed it, lol. But any day now, pool players will begin to feel cheated that they aren't lingering in the nursing home till the new normal of 4 score and 10, maybe?
And if I could only find some of those dandy Black Beauties that OHB mentioned from way back when, maybe I'd care a little less about longevity. I wasn't playing much pool at the time I sampled those, but I believe they might make you feel too damned good to do much of anything well, except drink and fornicate. That's how it was, to the best of my recollection.
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mnorwood said:
Meth is everywhere now, and crystal meth is the most popular drug in the world now next to pot. Crystal meth is cheap, easy to get, and easy to use, and you get a rush of euphoria and energy every time you use it. Once you get hooked on it you are basically screwed for life, your body and mind never forget how good it makes you feel. When my friends all got into that drug I am lucky I never gave in and tried it, who knows where I would be now if I did.
What I find so pathetic and stupid about drug addicts is EVERYONE who gets hooked on the drug thinks that they will never get addicted, that they can use it every once in a while when they need a boost. They say the exact same thing that CheffJeff says, and the next thing they know their lives are destroyed. Here we have a guy being so naive that he is arguing in favor of the drug, and he doesn't give a shit what kind of influence he might be putting on younger people who read these forums. He deserves no respect.
LastTwo said:
To say I've been arguing in favor of using (abusing, as you see it with everyone who uses) a drug is misleading. I've been arguing in favor of honesty, rational living, a society of liberty, and personal responsibility. For SOME (remember my first post?) to use it might be beneficial. You obviously don't agree with that based on your experience. I base my opinion on my personal experience and facts of reality, like 'em or not.
Shall we agree to disagree for now? I've gotta go to Peoria, so I won't be able to respond until after the weekend.
Jeff Livingston
Well said LastTwo. I've been down that road before, as many people have, and it's a living hell. I haven't used it in over 8 years and still to this day, I have dreams about it. I know it's something I'll have to deal with forever but I feel confident that I can refrain from using it again. But, not TOO confident! In this town I live in now, I see so many people that may or may not be using it, but they definitely have "THE LOOK". It will suck the life out of you, for sure. There are some who have been fortunate enough to try it and it wasn't their type of high, but for most, it reels them in before they realize it and it's a very hard thing to quit. Peace to all, John.LastTwo said:
Travis Bickle said:
You were never playing pool when they kicked in then, Travis. They worked well. The best was BI62, 75mg Preludin. You could play all night and drink a big glass of milk and sleep like a baby. I took a lot of them in the 70s. All with a prescription and supervised by a doctor, as it should be.
I have never tried meth., simply because I know I would love it and I would like to make that 3 score and 10. Hell, it ain't but 13 more years, DAMN.
I am keeping up with this thread because it is important. I would like to address chefJeff directly. I understand your perspective that drugs under controlled conditions can be beneficial. However, few people have the self discipline to use drugs in a controled manner. Drug use, more often than not ends in self destruction. It is for this reason that I must hold a simplistic anti-drug stance.
I think this thread can be ended by this question: "If playing great pool is so important to you why isn't 12+ hours a day of practice the preferred choice over drugs which fries your nervous system?"
I think this thread can be ended by this question: "If playing great pool is so important to you why isn't 12+ hours a day of practice the preferred choice over drugs which fries your nervous system?"
LastTwo said:
The new Newsweek August 8 is worth buying. It is on the stand now and has some frightening info on Meth. The most frightening of all is on page 46, a photo of a healthy, attractive woman taken in 2001. Her current photo is next to it. 3 and a half years later you would think she was her grandmother. The life was literally sucked out of her. It is hitting the mom and pop middle class because of this casual attitude accepting illegal drugs.
Meth is not new. Christ I've had to put one of my best employees through re-hab off that stuff. Cigarettes are a cake walk compared to that crap. It started off as casual partying on Saturday night. When he broke down and came to me for help, I put him through detox and had him come in to the office. He cried for months on end trying to cope with it even after detox. He was unproductive but I wanted him there. He's dead now from Hep C (kidney failure) from the drug use, but he managed to kick the stuff and lived another 10 years.
We had two mom's who were meth addicts my wife's family was trying to help (they came to the church) by taking them in. They just couldn't quit - it was relapse after relapse and despite all the effort lost their kids.
Anybody who is addicted to meth and can quit is pretty much superhuman.
Chris
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Cause they can take the stuff and play 24 hrs a day for a few days, till they crash and start wandering around like zombies. Everybody's in a hurry...mnorwood said:
unknownpro
LastTwo said:
I am most certainly NOT an occasional user. The last and only time I tried meth was in 1978. I hated it....oh, and I did NOT get hooked....how can that be? hmmmmmm? If I drink more than two cups of instant coffee I am too high. I feed my body with good nutrition and that does the trick.
You (and others here) are using anecdotal evidence and you're AGAIN making up "facts" to support your prejudiced conclusions. You don't know me, so you canNOT know if I use or not. Yet you proclaim it as if it is fact. THAT is the EXACT same mystical thinking that creates problems which previously didn't exist. This type of dishonest thinking is much more dangerous than ANY drug, as it leads to a lifetime of critical mistakes, even sometimes stupid drug abuse. It will certainly ruin any chance at long-term happy pool.
This type of dishonest thinking also reduces, in the minds of objective thinkers, your arguments, that otherwise hold some validity. You obviously care a lot about the harm meth does to many people. That is so admirable. So do I. I am not some uncaring monster. THAT is why I want the true facts about things: so I can deal with them in an effective manner, not chase around like a chicken with her head cut off.
You've obviously not integrated the facts from the article I posted above so, if you are honest with yourself, try this one
Here's an excerpt for those who don't want to go there:
While the thrust of this article has been to deflate overstated claims of a "meth epidemic," there is clearly problematic use out there. "We have seen some increased use and we've seen an increase in HIV transmitted by male injection drug users who are having sex with men, and this public health issue is our real concern," said Luciano Colonna, executive director of the Harm Reduction Project, which is sponsoring the First National Conference on Meth, HIV, and Hepatitis C later this month in Salt Lake City. "But we have also seen increased law enforcement attention, more crackdowns, more arrests."
"We have to acknowledge there is enough of a kernel of truth in all these meth stories for people to be concerned," said Reinarman, "but instead of the big picture you get a rush to judgment."
That is basically my argument. Don't like it if you wish, but if you plan on refuting it, please use factual evidence in context and stop lying about me because I, regardless of your personal attacks, am not the issue---just ask the people who went to Peoria if I look/act like a user.
Jeff Livingston
I think it should be clear to all that ChefJeff is not advocating using, he is advocating knowledge. The certainly is a discernable difference between the 2 and I found the condom comment to be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.
But...Jeff, you refer to anecdotal evidence often. Certainly there is enough (non-anecdotal, both sides) evidence for one to pick which to carry in support of his/ her chosen side. Just coz a link isn't posted that would meet the parameters you would require, doesn't mean that it isn't out there.
I think it is an uphill battle to try and defend meth use.
But...Jeff, you refer to anecdotal evidence often. Certainly there is enough (non-anecdotal, both sides) evidence for one to pick which to carry in support of his/ her chosen side. Just coz a link isn't posted that would meet the parameters you would require, doesn't mean that it isn't out there.
I think it is an uphill battle to try and defend meth use.