Upside Down Tip

lfigueroa

lfigueroa

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I usually have my tips replaced by a most excellent cue mechanic. But every once in a while, for any number of reasons, I decide to put a new tip on myself.

For years I played with Mooris, until they lost their charm (the later ones kept de-laminating) and have gone to Kamuis the last few years. In fact, I just got a couple of new black Kamui SS in the mail, courtesy of Troy.

So anywhos, during the years I was having them professionally replaced, I'd always have the tips trimmed down several layers, because I don't like tall tips. One day, after I asked him to cut them down and remove several layers of brand new leather, the very reputable and knowledgeable mechanic installing my tips balked and said, "You know, all the 'magic' in these tips is in the top layers -- which you're having me lop off." At the time, I just laughed. But in retrospect, I now believe he was dead serious and that comment has always stuck with me.

So today I glued on one of the new black Kamui SS on... upside down. IOW, I kept the side that said "glue" on top. My plan is to lop off about a third of the tip, so what I'm actually losing is the part of the tip that would normally be left, after a year or so of hard play. The 'magic' should remain untouched and ready for play.

I guess I refuse to believe I'm the first to try this, or maybe someone out there actually knows why the manufacturers of all these tips identify a "glue" side, but I'm going to give it a whirl anyway.

Anyone else tried an upside down tip?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I usually have my tips replaced by a most excellent cue mechanic. But every once in a while, for any number of reasons, I decide to put a new tip on myself.

For years I played with Mooris, until they lost their charm (the later ones kept de-laminating) and have gone to Kamuis the last few years. In fact, I just got a couple of new black Kamui SS in the mail, courtesy of Troy.

So anywhos, during the years I was having them professionally replaced, I'd always have the tips trimmed down several layers, because I don't like tall tips. One day, after I asked him to cut them down and remove several layers of brand new leather, the very reputable and knowledgeable mechanic installing my tips balked and said, "You know, all the 'magic' in these tips is in the top layers -- which you're having me lop off." At the time, I just laughed. But in retrospect, I now believe he was dead serious and that comment has always stuck with me.

So today I glued on one of the new black Kamui SS on... upside down. IOW, I kept the side that said "glue" on top. My plan is to lop off about a third of the tip, so what I'm actually losing is the part of the tip that would normally be left, after a year or so of hard play. The 'magic' should remain untouched and ready for play.

I guess I refuse to believe I'm the first to try this, or maybe someone out there actually knows why the manufacturers of all these tips identify a "glue" side, but I'm going to give it a whirl anyway.

Anyone else tried an upside down tip?

Lou Figueroa
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In a word. NO. But I kind of like the idea. BTW, I also like my tips short. IMO, they play better towards the end of their life. I remember the old drag racer's saying "the motor runs best just before it blows up."
 
I've seen it, but never had it done to one of my tips. The guy that does my work will do it, if you ask, but he never recommends this method. He did say the same guy always wants it done.
 
....so how did it hit? Any noticeable difference?

Either way, I must admit that it's a very interesting idea. :thumbup:
 
I read in a previous days a couple of day sago that with layered tips, it doesn't matter which side you glue on. They're the same.

The ones they send out for consumers are marked while the ones they send out to cuemakers aren't marked.

I think one of the cuemakers who said this was Kevin Varney. I'll try to find that thread.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
Someone gave you some incorrect info.
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Here you go :

Coming from this thread..

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=104156&highlight=right+side+layered+tip

Varney Cues said:
The stamped side is suppose the be the side you glue down. That being said....as per Corey at Tiger.....it really makes no difference, you can glue either side & it'll be the same. The Everest tips made for the cuemakers have no stamped side. Everest is the tip I've chosen to put on all new Varney playing cues. Excellent, excellent tips.:)
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dave sutton said:
also my fav and as kv said it makes no difference what side you glue
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jazznpool said:
I believe they are exactly the same tip less cosmetic finishing and stamping. Tiger Products would not ever sell seconds or defective tips as they have too much at stake and tips are their main product. The cue manufacturer bulk Everest tip is intended only for use by makers who will use them exclusively on their cues and are priced for that purpose to makers and manufacturers. The Everest tip is becoming more popular and I notice that Predator uses them on their shafts.

Martin
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Then again, they were probably just referring to Tiger products, not all Layered tips in general..
 
If the 'magic' were in the top layers, why not just cut the tip in half before installation, and install just the top part, that way, you get the shorter tip, with all the 'magic'. If that doesnt work out, you still have the bottom half to install.
 
lfigueroa said:
I usually have my tips replaced by a most excellent cue mechanic. But every once in a while, for any number of reasons, I decide to put a new tip on myself.

For years I played with Mooris, until they lost their charm (the later ones kept de-laminating) and have gone to Kamuis the last few years. In fact, I just got a couple of new black Kamui SS in the mail, courtesy of Troy.

So anywhos, during the years I was having them professionally replaced, I'd always have the tips trimmed down several layers, because I don't like tall tips. One day, after I asked him to cut them down and remove several layers of brand new leather, the very reputable and knowledgeable mechanic installing my tips balked and said, "You know, all the 'magic' in these tips is in the top layers -- which you're having me lop off." At the time, I just laughed. But in retrospect, I now believe he was dead serious and that comment has always stuck with me.

So today I glued on one of the new black Kamui SS on... upside down. IOW, I kept the side that said "glue" on top. My plan is to lop off about a third of the tip, so what I'm actually losing is the part of the tip that would normally be left, after a year or so of hard play. The 'magic' should remain untouched and ready for play.

I guess I refuse to believe I'm the first to try this, or maybe someone out there actually knows why the manufacturers of all these tips identify a "glue" side, but I'm going to give it a whirl anyway.

Anyone else tried an upside down tip?

Lou Figueroa
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No, I haven't tried it but I will be listening for a report from you.

Personally, I think the magic lies in the shortness of a tip and I too will continue to have the tip cut down.

Manufacturers should try making tips 1/2 the normal height and see how players like them. I don't mind getting a new tip put on every three months or so.

I recently played some of my best pool when my original Everest tip got down to about 1/8" or less. I started getting scared because I was afraid I was going to crack the ferrule.
JoeyA
 
it doesn't make a difference what side of the tip is up or down. i think you might have misunderstood what he was trying to say
 
I just tried putting my tip on upside down, but now that the glue has dried I can't screw the shaft onto the butt. :shrug:
 
3andstop said:
I just tried putting my tip on upside down, but now that the glue has dried I can't screw the shaft onto the butt. :shrug:
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LMFAO

Man I have been out of the loop. When the hell did they start putting magic in tips? Whats next, laser beams that come out of the cue.

Maybe this is why I use Wizard tips. Because the "Wizards Mojo" is soaked all the way thru the tip.

On a serious note, I have never noticed a difference no matter which side I use.

I do at times use a 1/4 tip as a backer.
 
morri

lfigueroa said:
I usually have my tips replaced by a most excellent cue mechanic. But every once in a while, for any number of reasons, I decide to put a new tip on myself.

For years I played with Mooris, until they lost their charm (the later ones kept de-laminating) and have gone to Kamuis the last few years. In fact, I just got a couple of new black Kamui SS in the mail, courtesy of Troy.

Lou Figueroa
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My QUESTION is what are you doing wrong when installing a Morri that causes it to delaminate. I personallly have put on a a few thousand Morri's over the last 10 years and had one delaminate. I believe that one one was also my fault I may have let it get a little hot on the lathe!!!:eek:

no-sho
 
NO-SHO is on to something

JUST A RUMOR BUT SOAKING LAMINATED TIPS IN THAT CHEAP BRANDY is bad medicine on laminated skins, Efren Reyes uses elkmaster tips which are not tall,but they flatten quick unless as rumors go there squeezed in a vice for 6 days as ive heard others talk about!
 
teedotaj said:
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Then again, they were probably just referring to Tiger products, not all Layered tips in general..
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Obviously so. Since this thread made no reference to the "T" word I felt no need to include them.

Makes no difference to me if they stamp their tips or not as I refuse to use them.
 
Paul Mon said:
In a word. NO. But I kind of like the idea. BTW, I also like my tips short. IMO, they play better towards the end of their life. I remember the old drag racer's saying "the motor runs best just before it blows up."
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lol. THAT'S funny.

Lou Figueroa
 
HeLLFiSH said:
If the 'magic' were in the top layers, why not just cut the tip in half before installation, and install just the top part, that way, you get the shorter tip, with all the 'magic'. If that doesnt work out, you still have the bottom half to install.
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I don't think they're quite thick enough to successfully cut in two. Anyway, I know I'm not that good with a razor.

Which brings up an interesting question: why do they make these layered tips so tall to begin with? I mean, does anyone really play with a tip 10 layers tall?! Back in the day, a Triangle or Champion was like maybe the equivalent of four or five layers.

Lou Figueroa
 
JoeyA said:
No, I haven't tried it but I will be listening for a report from you.

Personally, I think the magic lies in the shortness of a tip and I too will continue to have the tip cut down.

Manufacturers should try making tips 1/2 the normal height and see how players like them. I don't mind getting a new tip put on every three months or so.

I recently played some of my best pool when my original Everest tip got down to about 1/8" or less. I started getting scared because I was afraid I was going to crack the ferrule.
JoeyA
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I will report back.

I do highly recommend red backers, to avoid the cracked ferrules when the tip gets super thin.

BTW, have you ever seen Mike Davis' tip? It's so thin ("How thin is it, Lou?") It's so thin that it doesn't have sides -- it's curved on top and then goes straight into the ferrule. Jimbo and I and Fred were sitting behind him at an event in Grand Central Station a few years back. When he was done shooting he'd come sit over where we were. And Jimbo asks him about his cue and Mike says something about how he had someone make it and Jimbo cracks, "So... he's not so good at putting on tips?"

Lou Figueroa
 
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