US Open 10 ball & 8 ball is Back!

It seems that I've read quite a bit about this "Anti League" sentiment.

Most of the posts that seem to be against leagues all have similar stories to tell about how league players act and why they are disliked so much.

I have to admit that I too would be uncomfortable if I witnessed some of the things that have been mentioned, but I have to add that there are many leagues that are quite different.

Our league in North Dallas Texas is quite the opposite. The competition is very high in the higher level divisions as well as having some more entry level players in the lower level divisions. But virtually all who play in the leagues are courteous and thoughtful of each other as well as the places that we play.

I really think the differences come down to a number of things.

The people, the people and the people.

I very much enjoy the people in our leagues.

I guess the moral of the story is that not all leagues are filled with people who don't really care about anything.


Royce

Oh, let's don't say that, Royce. Don't you know? All leagues, everywhere, are all filled with unclean heathens, trailer park trash, the uncouth of the uncouth...

There can be no possibility of people who play league and actually give a damn. And are polite and courteous. They might read this sight and actually know who some of the pro's are, too...

I've heard there are a few who play pretty damned well, too....imagine that.

Regardless of this foolishness, MG and CSI know what they are doing, they are right far more often than not. I expect that this years 8 and 10 ball US Opens will be quite successful.

I'm also curious to see the pro's reactions to this. I haven't seen Facebook blow up yet, at least not the pro's that I follow there. (GASP, a league player who knows who some of the pro's are and actually follows them, say it ain't so!!!!!!!!) I'm sure once they get yakking about it, it will get pretty lively.
 
After thinking about it, I am just happy they are going to have open, pro caliber events at the BCAPL this year. I wasn't much interested in watching the invitational matches last year. I like the multiple tables of a larger event, letting me see more players and choose who I want to watch.

But I will not change my mind that having any bar table event as a Mosconi Cup event is wrong. Let's say this was 5 - 10 years ago. I'm hesitant to name names without offending someone so I'll pick -- Jesse Bowman (who I don't care if I offend) and Jason Kirkwood (who knows I appreciate his skill). When they were playing, both would be one of the favorites to win (or place very high) in these 5 bar table events. But as a fan of the US, I wouldn't want either one playing on the Mosconi Cup team on big tables.

Yes, Jason is great on a barbox. But don't think he can't play on a 9' table either. Look up where he finished in the IPT. All many have seen of his 9' play was when he played John Schmidt on TAR. Not making excuses for him, but he was sick when he played, and his game was off. At the 2004 Glass City Open, he beat Varner 10-0.
 
I guess you can keep crying about anti-league bias for a long time. As long as many continue to act like disrespectful fools there will be people who don't care for leagues.
So get over it ! Not surprised you as a league player want to over look this fact. Continue crying is all I can say, boo hoo :p

Still not sure you even play. Yeah, and you're here calling others disrespectful. Keep flapping those gums.
 
Agree

Brian is a monster his dad Ed was a top tier 1 pocket player
He's won several of Ozzys APT events and is a class act

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You and I don't agree on much but we definitely agree on this. Brian can play with the best and is a complete gentleman. He is representing the APT well so far.
 
Still not sure you even play.

That is
Like calling an iphone reviewer "Still not sure you even make iphones"
Like calling a food critic "Still not sure you even cook"
Like calling a film critic "Still not sure you even make movies"

Meaningless statements. Those are statements people like to make when they cannot offer better postions or have nothing else to add.

When will people ever realise that majoriy of sports fans/spectators do not play much of the game? When will people ever realise that you do not need to know how to do the deed in order to constructively analyse, review, criticise something? :D
 
Great to hear that Brian Deska is doing so well! Haven't seen much of him since he went on such a tear last year on the APT, winning 3 events in a row last summer.
 
That is
Like calling an iphone reviewer "Still not sure you even make iphones"
Like calling a food critic "Still not sure you even cook"
Like calling a film critic "Still not sure you even make movies"

Meaningless statements. Those are statements people like to make when they cannot offer better postions or have nothing else to add.

When will people ever realise that majoriy of sports fans/spectators do not play much of the game? When will people ever realise that you do not need to know how to do the deed in order to constructively analyse, review, criticise something? :D

Then there are those that act like hot turd, but can't do squat. Guy has a habit of *****ing, whining and crying about things, but never hear him talk about how friggin awesome he is. Just another Champ, acting like everbody/everything else sucks, though can't make three balls in a row. Maybe that sounds familiar to you.

Carry on, kids.
 
Royce, I did get your point and I did not intend to start a debate or argument with you but was rather only attempting to add a point of view that I felt would be helpful to those that want to promote more fan/spectator participation in their tournaments.

I do not know the intricacies of table manufacturing but I do know a lot about building display fixtures. In my business when we need to utilize the space given us to the maximum advantage we sometimes build a custom fixture to fit. While it is easier to cut to a particular pattern and assemble a number of the same fixtures it is not that much more costly to make a few custom adjustments to better suit what we have to work with and maximize our sales results. As I said, it is not my intention to argue this point and I fully accept that I do not know what is involved but I had understood that it was not that difficult to customize rails and pocket sizes. Again, my point was simply that it would be beneficial to present our sport in a way that would help build the fan base. I was thinking less of a market for these tables (other than pro tournaments) and more of a market for professional pool.

I also find that the vast majority of league players are more avid than how they have been described in some of the posts in this thread. I know that most are not exposed to the opportunity to watch the pro’s play, live or on a stream. I was only able to become an avid fan after finding and joining AZ Billiards (my journey to identify and buy a proper cue is a story in itself). I would venture that most league players do not have a grasp on what is going on at the pro level because they have not been made aware of the resources available. I am still surprised (I shouldn’t be) when I mention a tournament or a live stream and someone who has played for a number of years in the league has no idea of what I am talking about. When I refer them to AZ live stream forum they are often unaware that it exists.

For these reasons I use myself as a barometer when thinking about how to make pool more widely acceptable as a fan experience. I love pool, want to watch good pool, have travelled many miles to attend live tournaments as a spectator, am probably one of the few who pays for the Mosconi Cup stream official source knowing up front that it is available on a free stream and the free stream is a better quality and yes I watch the free stream because of the quality but believe that one must support these events so I also pay. If I, the pool fanatic, find some matches between the top players boring how can the casual fan, or more importantly, new fans, be brought into the fold? My opinion is based on what the Bigfoot challenge and the China 8 Ball has shown me.

As an aside, I also have been surprised at the comments of rude league players. It is not something that I have experienced having played in many different league environments. In my travels I have visited many different pool halls and bars with pool tables and have found the regulars to be welcoming and gracious.

Respectfully,
Jerry



Jerry

Sorry that I came across harsh. It certainly wasn't my intention.

I do very much agree with you about league players and don't want to label all of them either bad or good. There's certainly some of both. I guess the point is that we reap what we sow. If we all went out and spread some goodwill about pool everywhere we went the pool world would be a better place.

I very much appreciate your patronage of the tournaments, streams and whatever other things you've stepped up to support. Pool needs more like you.

I do believe it would be too cost prohibitive to build special tables, but that's another story, so keep on being a good guy.

Thanks

Royce
 
Tell everyone here again how you bought some bar tables and put them in some bars,
or not, as you've already told us that, how many times now. You talk about how friggin
awesome you are enough for the both of us. It even sounds like you're starting to buy into that cr*p. Ha
You talk a lot about how I play, for someone who has no clue in the matter. ???
What do you have a crush on me or something, not interested, thanks anyway.
Don't like what I post, simple don't read them.

Have a great day !

you mean how he's actually done something for the game in his area, helped improve things, even if just in a small way?
 
It is clear from our ratings analyses, which we will have more to say about soon, that the same players rise to the top when those players play on different equipment.

So far looking at the USBTC 10 ball finals bracket, this statement seems to be holding up quite well.
 
Great Match

My man Brian Deska won again - 7-3. He gets to knock off Ignacio next.

I watched this and it was a great match. At 5-4 (Ignacio), Deska made a terrific shot with backhand spin to come down the table for position. The cue ball tracked to the corner pocket and just when it seemed it would stop, it fell. The score was then 6-4 with Ignacio breaking and running out the final rack. It was a heart-breaker for Deska.
 
Unfortunately....

....There can be no possibility of people who play league and actually give a damn. And are polite and courteous. They might read this sight and actually know who some of the pro's are, too....

here are our 2014 UPA stats for our 100ml radius league:
200 players (20 teams of 5 +5 alternates);
6 AZBers (KK9, me, Dootysquat, Diogenes, Majic, TimKrazyMon*);
6 know of the pros (see above)

i could throw in local APA & statewide Am Rot stats, but it wouldn't be pretty. having said that, 30 of us friends participated in league & added <5 new friends. and 4 of the above 6, have since quit league, but we all still give a damn about pool. ;)

*TimKrazyMon technically plays for APA, but i included him anyway.
 
It isn't the traditional 2 foul rule. It's ball in hand after any missed shot following a push out.

I push out and you don't like the shot. I do not pocket the ball and you get ball in hand. Same thing if you take the shot after the push out and miss, I get ball in hand.

I believe Greg's thinking is players will quit playing position to play safe and it will create a more offensive game.

I know he is fairly serious about this and we should hear more about it before the next Derby City. The goal is to make the game more offensive and entertaining for the players and fans. The downside might be it will eliminate the kicks since players will just push out most of the time.

I look forward to seeing this extra rule tested out. I believe, on the pro side, it would not completely eliminate kicks because pushing out would be basically giving your opponent the table back with a decent shot. So a good percentage kick would be the better choice.

Safeties wouldn't be completely eliminated either, because leaving your opponent safe would force him into a push out or impossible kick, and grants you good chances at ball in hand or a decent shot.

For an amateur like me, rolling out of position and getting snookered, I would definitely just push for my opponent a thin cut which would be makeable but offer tough position for next shot.
What's nice is, when playing other amateurs, you aren't stuck kicking and banging into one ball for five innings. It would move things along nicely.

More opportunity for strategy with the full time push out rule in effect IMO.
 
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