US Open censors Quick-Clean

Fatboy said:
i wouldnt waste my $$$ on either of the products, a brush, vacuum and a little work and the table is fine, pool has been around for years this stuff popped up in the last few years, its all snake oil,
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I don't think it's fair to call it snake oil, but of course you are entitled to feel that way. I don't know yet if Quick Clean can 100% replace a vacuum and brush. I haven't been using it long enough yet. But I'm going to try it and see. So far so good. It does take the chalk up. I can see that the chalk marks from breaking are gone after using it.

My *#@$%'in roommate also just got bicycle degreaser on my Simonis. Don't ask me how something so ridiculous could possibly happen. I've put a few applications of Quick Clean on it, and it's drastically reduced the stains. Not completely gone, but much better. A brush and vacuum could never do that.

To me, the convenience and speed of Quick Clean would be worth the minor cost, assuming that it does work as well as brushing/vacuuming. Not to mention, it's much easier on the back! ;)
 
Cuebacca said:
I don't think it's fair to call it snake oil, but of course you are entitled to feel that way. I don't know yet if Quick Clean can 100% replace a vacuum and brush. I haven't been using it long enough yet. But I'm going to try it and see. So far so good. It does take the chalk up. I can see that the chalk marks from breaking are gone after using it.

My *#@$%'in roommate also just got bicycle degreaser on my Simonis. Don't ask me how something so ridiculous could possibly happen. I've put a few applications of Quick Clean on it, and it's drastically reduced the stains. Not completely gone, but much better. A brush and vacuum could never do that.

To me, the convenience and speed of Quick Clean would be worth the minor cost, assuming that it does work as well as brushing/vacuuming. Not to mention, it's much easier on the back! ;)
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ok not snake oil, it might make things easier but I dont think its 100% necessary. Just another thing to waste $$$ on. IMO.
 
Fatboy said:
ok not snake oil, it might make things easier but I dont think its 100% necessary. Just another thing to waste $$$ on. IMO.
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Hehe. I don't know about you, but in some ways I guess I'm just a lazy American. If I can brush and vacuum my table in 10 minutes for the cost of electricity and elbow grease, or Quick Clean it in 60 seconds for 50 cents, I'll shell out the 50 cents. (If I really had money to burn, I might get a maid and teach her how to brush and vacuum. :) LOL.)

I'm usually pretty tight with my money, but there are certain things that are worth it to me. However, I respect the fact that some would prefer to save the coin where possible, and simply go with the old fashion, tried and true, route.
 
david hodges said:
I was disturbed today to find out that Quick-Clean had been removed from the vender?s booths at The US Open. When one of my distributors complained to Barry about not being able to sell Quick-Clean, Barry told him that it was his tournament and either get it off his table or pack up and go home. I understand that Chalk-Off is the cleaner of the Open, even though last year I went at Barry Behrman?s request to clean the tables because Chalk-Off wouldn?t work. I thought that was wrong to ask me to do it when he makes Chalk-Off the official cleaner but I went and helped him out of a jam. This year I couldn?t do it for him because it just not right. Now to find out that Barry has made the venders remove Quick-Clean from their booths is a slap in the face. I have been a vender with Barry for more than 20 years. I think that it is wrong that Barry and Rob Sykora would censor what you are buying. Quick-Clean, Chalk-Off, whatever, it should be your choice. To my venders out there, I am sorry that you are denied the chance to make a living because of these types of careless actions. To my customers at the US Open I apologize that the venders at the US Open are not allowed to sell you Quick-Clean. I am also embarrassed about the false and misleading advertising done by Rob Sykora and BCNTV trying to convince you that Chalk-Off and Quick-Clean are the same. Let me assure you that the two products are not the same. We had Quick-Clean tested By Simonis Cloth and Ivan Lee himself said that it was a safe cleaner for their cloth. Bernard Bollette of Simonis said that they do not recommend using Chalk-Off to clean their cloth. I do hope that the tournaments that I go to, that the venders be not censored by the promoter. Please let me see everything you have and I will make the choice what to buy. This type of careless action hurts you and me and the whole industry.
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Dave, I have met you, PM'ed you and am aware of your product. I have used it and like it. I know who's on first and that the corporate world only has 1 bottom line and no ethics. "$$$$" that is to say. The sale of your product at the Open jeopardised somebodys bottom line. Please don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I am sure that after all this time you have learned how to deal with it. I hope these types do not affect your life a great deal.
I will buy 5 cans and the brush thing from any vendor you recomend for use on my home table. I will lend some to the pool halls in my area if I can get them to stop using that dam rotating brush and ruining the new Simonos 860. I will also purchase the Open thru BCN and not go spend 2 to 6 grand in Chesapeak until your product is allowed to be sold by your vendors. That is BS my friend. This is a promise that I will keep.
I can stay home, get laid by the most wonderful lover I ever had, eat Lobster, drink dome DP, blow some smoke, stay out of jail and have a cold one, and watch nthe major matches for $14.95 when I feel like it. :D
Peace and success to you my friend.
Don "Purdman" Purdy
 
Cuebacca said:
My *#@$%'in roommate also just got bicycle degreaser on my Simonis. Don't ask me how something so ridiculous could possibly happen.
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Cue-B,
I hope that I will not be held liable for this advice:

Have you considered making him your ex-bleeping roommate (or possibly your late-bleeping roommate)? I would have sold any of my children for committing such a heinous act (fortunately I think they were fairly warned, and smart enough not to cross the line).
 
there are a few points to be made.

First, if chalk off is the official clth cleaning sponsor of the open, and behrman asked you to remove the competing product from the premises, I can only assume behrman recieved pressure, legal or otherwise, to take action. Generally, there is no room for exceptions under these circumstances. It would have been more appropriate to center your original post on the displeasure about your personal encounter with behrman, in light of your past favor to him, instead of focusing on "censorship" issues. Barry sure can use some tutoring on his people skills, but from a business standpoint, he was just fufilling his legal obligations.

The other noteworthy issue is, should this poster address this forum about his product and recent experience. IMO, definetely. No one, literally, can deny this is pool related, and that really is the only requirement for posting. But, I will add that this is not the place to adjudicate past history between the products. That is what the courts are for.

With all that being said, I am glad that this thread was posted, if for no other reason that it reminds us, the consumers, about the unscrupulous past actions of chalk off.

Rg
 
Williebetmore said:
Cue-B,
I hope that I will not be held liable for this advice:

Have you considered making him your ex-bleeping roommate (or possibly your late-bleeping roommate)? I would have sold any of my children for committing such a heinous act (fortunately I think they were fairly warned, and smart enough not to cross the line).
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Well, to his credit, he told me to let him know what the damages end up being. I guess that doesn't really matter anyway, as I've already discussed it with the Pool Gods. Unfortunately, for him, they require a blood sacrifice.
 
Cuebacca said:
Hehe. I don't know about you, but in some ways I guess I'm just a lazy American. If I can brush and vacuum my table in 10 minutes for the cost of electricity and elbow grease, or Quick Clean it in 60 seconds for 50 cents, I'll shell out the 50 cents. (If I really had money to burn, I might get a maid and teach her how to brush and vacuum. :) LOL.)

I'm usually pretty tight with my money, but there are certain things that are worth it to me. However, I respect the fact that some would prefer to save the coin where possible, and simply go with the old fashion, tried and true, route.
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i'm just old school, it aint the $$$, it also seems odd to spray something liquid on the cloth, but hey if people like it and want to buy it ether product more power to them. enjoy your week end.
 
Chalk-Off stole the idea from David Hodges, now he is getting screwed by Sykora and Behrman. I feel bad for the guy, they screwed him over pretty badly.
 
Fatboy said:
i'm just old school, it aint the $$$, it also seems odd to spray something liquid on the cloth, but hey if people like it and want to buy it ether product more power to them. enjoy your week end.
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Thanks, Fatboy. Hope you have a good one too.
 
uwate said:
The US Open isn't a publicly funded event, its a private business entity. As such he is perfectly within his rights to sign exclusive contract deals with whoever he wants. This allows the US Open to negotiate a higher contract price with Title Sponsors. You were not being censored, you just were outbid for a business deal. Happens all the time.

Next time stack it up higher on the light! You will get the action instead of Chalk Off.
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the answer to all this whining was way back in post #14. whoever greases the palm (stacks it higher on the light) gets to sell his product at the event. that's the way these things/events work.

some on this forum don't have a clue about how things happen in the business world. did you ever wonder why certain items ( bread, beverages. etc) get placed in the best/arm level spaces in Wal Mart and other stores ? they grease the corporate palms, and even the managers at the local levels, too.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it works. been here almost 60 years and have seen, done a lot...JMHO. ;)
 
uwate said:
The US Open isn't a publicly funded event, its a private business entity. As such he is perfectly within his rights to sign exclusive contract deals with whoever he wants. This allows the US Open to negotiate a higher contract price with Title Sponsors. You were not being censored, you just were outbid for a business deal. Happens all the time.

Next time stack it up higher on the light! You will get the action instead of Chalk Off.
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Problem is that he changed the rules in the middle of the game, or after 31 years. I hope it is worth it to him. He has lost me as a fan until he changes things.
Purd
 
Fatboy said:
i wouldnt waste my $$$ on either of the products, a brush, vacuum and a little work and the table is fine, pool has been around for years this stuff popped up in the last few years, its all snake oil,
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Fatboy, try it on your table and you will be surprized. I have only had 1 can in my life. That was 3 years ago. I had the table since 1999 and it looked better than it did for 5 before the can. I would get some more if I could get it from Dave.
Purd
 
I'm glad this thread was started. I started another one but didn't remember the details regarding the dispute but I was pretty sure that Chalk Off had done something pretty unscrupulous to someone that posted here, i.e. David Hodges.

I'm buying Quick Clean and I'm not buying Chalk Off. End of discussion for me.
 
Quick Clean REALLY works. I used to use it when I did jump exhibitions and it would take out the white spots after a full day of pounding.

Just as an experiment we did one half of the table with Quick Clean and one half with just a vacuum and a brush for a few days and it wasn't even close.

The Quick Clean side looked almost new while the other side looked well worn.

I don't know the details between David and Rob but it is really shitty that Quick Clean has been edited out of the videos while DAVID is still shown cleaning the tables with QUICK CLEAN.

I don't think I would want to spend my advertising dollars with a video producer if I thought that he would edit out the my product appearances and replace them with his own copy. Part of the allure of doing arena advertising is that your signage and product placements are supposed to be part of the permanent video for people to see for all time.

I can't imagine that Matt Braun would ever edit out Viking from a Challenge of Champions match and replace it with a cue brand of his own.

Anyway it's a stinky situation to say the least and it sounds like there is some pettiness going around as well.

Bummer!
 
I'm glad..

..you posted this Dave. Last night a friend and I were looking for Quick Clean in the vendor area and couldn't find it. I knew I had seen it earlier in the week.

Thanks for the info. I had hoped to buy some and not have to pay shipping. I love the way your product works on my Simonis.



MM
 
This is ridiculious. Makes you think that Chalk Off & Barry are nervous that people will find out that their product is inferior.

Guess who used to OWN the St Louis Cardinals? August Busch but even in his stadium for his team, he sold Miller Lite.
 
david hodges said:
The apparel booth is Barry?s booth for the US Open clothing. The other venders are the usual venders that are there. There are no venders selling any type of pool table cleaner. Chalk-Off doesn?t have a booth and the other venders are not allowed to sell Quick-Clean.
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Doesn't it seem strange that you can't even buy chalk off at the event, and they are a sponsor?
Now how weird is that.
mrs.g
 
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