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Seeing more whining about pro pocket size these days on AZB when I pop in, has become as reliable as hearing my daughters bitching at each other when I get home from work.
But look at the wonderful new detail brought to light. :p

Yes I think you hit it correctly with the words "fast and loose" which is what is lacking in today's game in my opinion. I look back at some of the old accustats taped matches and with the exception of Greg Fix, those games moved along at an entertaining pace with no need for shot clocks. In today's game, as great as today's players are the game of 9 ball is not 'fast and loose' anymore. Hopefully Emily will consider some fine tweaking to make the game more audience friendly and entertaining.

Fast can be tight as well. AFAIC, it should be tight. Competence. Ronnie O anyone?
 
With the nine ball being placed on the spot, it's much harder to put racks together because of the SLICE Break. You'll notice that you can't get the cue ball out of the way from all the traffic flying around. You can make the one ball in the side but controlling the cue ball is a mystery at best.
 
Agree with most of this, Bill.

This is a perfect example of where what the players want is at odds with what makes pool as entertaining as possible.

These pockets will not stop the elite from finding their way to the top of the WNT rankings, but the formula for winning has changed, and winners must do more grinding than ever before. I believe this makes for less entertaining pool. I love the pool I am seeing but feel it could be even better. Nobody runs packages anymore and Matchroom 9ball events, more and more, have the feel of the WPA sanctioned 10-ball events.

9ball isn't fast and loose anymore, and it is losing its identity.
could not agree more.

Players only care about what they think gives them an edge. What can put the most money in their pockets. I don't blame them for this self centric perspective but ultimately it's not good for the game.
 
''here's a bite I enjoyed from SJM's perspective''

.... a perfect example of where what the players want is at odds with what makes pool as entertaining as possible.
These pockets will not stop the elite from finding their way to the top of the WNT rankings, but the formula for winning has changed, and winners must do more grinding than ever before. I believe this makes for less entertaining pool.
 
''here's a bite I enjoyed from SJM's perspective''

.... a perfect example of where what the players want is at odds with what makes pool as entertaining as possible.
These pockets will not stop the elite from finding their way to the top of the WNT rankings, but the formula for winning has changed, and winners must do more grinding than ever before. I believe this makes for less entertaining pool.
I think the best thing we can do as fans is, come to the realization that the players are not doing it for the fans. This is true for all professional sports. If they were doing what they do for the fans, their demands for higher salaries wouldn't be an issue.

Starting at a young age, I believe that most professional athletes/players just want to be the best at what they do. If they are in a team sport, they want that team to be the best in the world. That, and the money, which is the main reason any professional does what they do. If you don't think the money isn't the #1 reason, then explain to me why "free agents" in some sports leave a World Championship team when their contracts expire and sign with a team with an almost zero chance of ever getting to the big game, but for MUCH more money? If they play in an individual sport, then likewise, they too want to be the best in the world, but the better they are, the more money they make.

You're bullshi**ing yourself if you don't believe that the money is more important than the fanbase.

As fans, we just need to "suck it up" and let the players decide what the equipment standards should be and keep our noses out of it. They're not getting rich off of gate attendance/streaming money anyway. Besides, I quite enjoy a watching a match where there is a bit of back-and-forth grinding going on.

JMHO
 
''here's a bite I enjoyed from SJM's perspective''

.... a perfect example of where what the players want is at odds with what makes pool as entertaining as possible.
These pockets will not stop the elite from finding their way to the top of the WNT rankings, but the formula for winning has changed, and winners must do more grinding than ever before. I believe this makes for less entertaining pool.
They wouldn't have to grind near as hard if there wasn't a break box and the 1B was on the spot. There would be packages. You think the top players in the world can't run out on 4" pockets? Gimme a break. They can't string anything together because the break is unpredictable at best. If the wing ball was wired and they were able to control the 1B they would be running packages and y'all would complain the game is too easy. You can't satisfy everyone. I think the game is where it needs to be for the top players in the world. Fans seem to agree as viewership is at an all time high.
 
They wouldn't have to grind near as hard if there wasn't a break box and the 1B was on the spot. There would be packages. You think the top players in the world can't run out on 4" pockets? Gimme a break. They can't string anything together because the break is unpredictable at best. If the wing ball was wired and they were able to control the 1B they would be running packages and y'all would complain the game is too easy. You can't satisfy everyone. I think the game is where it needs to be for the top players in the world. Fans seem to agree as viewership is at an all time high.
My one big beef with pro pool is the lack of shot-clocks on every match. You let some of these snails stall and they will. Pros can handle 4" wickets with ease.
 
The one ball can be mastered. The one ball AND three points is the iffy part. The one ball, three points, AND running the rock for the money is kinda silly.

As far as more grind, of course if you're talking about run of the mill cloned elite. What else is gonna happen.
I'm talking about evolution of the breed. True next level.
 
''here's a bite I enjoyed from SJM's perspective''

.... a perfect example of where what the players want is at odds with what makes pool as entertaining as possible.
These pockets will not stop the elite from finding their way to the top of the WNT rankings, but the formula for winning has changed, and winners must do more grinding than ever before. I believe this makes for less entertaining pool.
Oh yeah it's much more entertaining to watch a top player lose 9 to 1 against another top player, or even a mediocre player.

You do what leads to the better player winning more often.

Jaden
 
Oh yeah it's much more entertaining to watch a top player lose 9 to 1 against another top player, or even a mediocre player.

You do what leads to the better player winning more often.

Jaden
But wait...didn't you know? Tight pockets favor the weaker player. LMAO!!!!
 
Makes the one in the side more likely. I break some 9 ball racks. It's always 8 ball.
How many of those with the 9B on the spot are you able to control the cue ball and get position on the 2B to get out? No soft break. If it is greater than 50% perhaps you should pay your entry to the WNT events and show the best in the world how it's done. With the 1B on the spot, the wing ball is wired and if the break is hit properly, the 1B goes 2 rails for shape in one of the head rail corners (depends which side you break from). Which is more conducive to packages? 9B on the spot, break box and cut break or 1B on the spot, no break box?
 
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