those lesser players come to play pros and are happy making the minimum if that, they get experience they can take back to there local rooms and tourneys and bragging to there buddies. Its always been like that and i do see what you are saying also but someone has to show Stevies side of this.
USBTC Professional or not?
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those lesser players come to play pros and are happy making the minimum if that, they get experience they can take back to there local rooms and tourneys and bragging to there buddies. Its always been like that and i do see what you are saying also but someone has to show Stevies side of this.
I am one of those lesser players, but I don't go there to play the pros. I am at that tournament every chance I get. I can only speak for myself, but if certain players get to play without paying, I will no longer attend that tournament. However, if the tournament promoter said that the semi's and the finals will be free play for the players, I would accept that. Until that day comes, every player at that tournament should play by the same rules, and be happy doing it.
If Stevie was a big enough draw to increase my prize money simply because of his presence on the PPV table, I'd be happy. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
It's cool. I enjoy a discussion with no name calling. I appreciate that champ
I will fully admit that dropping quarters on the stream table is just tacky. Even Justin said as much but I also believe that if you were to do that there would be an outcry from the dead money that they weren't getting the same treatment. Whatchya gonna do? Regardless of how it's handled it's gotta be a real chore to try and keep everyone happy AND try and make this profitable
It would seem to me this would be on the level of charging Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson green fees. if Buste and SVB didn't pay tokens earier, why shoulc they be required on the Stevie Moore match ?
we be on common ground now and your seeing my point now and the point Stevie made in trying to get Shane to stand beside him. I think stevie was not just talking about himself in that dispute but all pro's in general
In case you didn't notice - Justin agreed that he doesn't like the appearance of guys having to plug coins into the streaming table (paraphrase).
If you really want to compare the USBTC to American Idol, you would have to have the singers on A.I. drop coins into a Karoake machine before they could sing. I bet that wouldn't go over too well. Not too mention, I'm fairly certain they are shown some small level of appreciation for being on the show.
There's obviously two different conversations going on here. The first one is about the way Stevie handled himself. Nobody can defend his actions. Hopefully, he gets a little grief over this and changes his tune next time.
The 2nd conversation is about putting coins into a steaming table. There have been a lot of good ideas already presented on how to avoid this in the future. I'm hoping they can figure out a way to implement one of these ideas and this whole situaiton will be avoided. Unfortunately, a different player, at a different venue, at a different time, will find something different to complain about. Oh well.
They did. Everyone had to pay. The only people that didn't pay were Stevie and (I think) Ernesto in the early round of the 10 ball tourney. That was before the decision was made that all players will pay.
Where did you get the idea that Shane and Bustamante didn't pay tokens?
I believe Tiger and Phil are charged the same fee's as other entrants. That being said you are comparing tournaments that generate 10's of millions in revenue. And a sport that is generating revenue in the billions. If pool was remotely close to generating revenue like this then yes Stevie or any pro would have a legitimate bi*ch.
I still don't understand how it is insulting to pay for the games. To pay $12 for a guaranteed $2300 and a chance at $4300. Just because it was the finals and on a stream. Really?
EXACTLY. This is a glaring example of "penny-wise, dollar-foolish." This can't be argued -- Stevie's cries of "Attica! Attica!" (as Justin so pointedly put it) over saving, what, $5, really put him in a bad light. This is going to hurt Stevie for a long time to come. I know every time I see Stevie, I'm going to be thinking of this event -- and not endearingly, either.
There's a small counterpoint to this, and that's the notion of green fees -- whether they should be bundled-in with the tourney entry fee, and just open-up all the tables. Most of the bar table tourneys that I've ever entered (including some notable ones in Colorado) open the tables up. It actually helps the tourney proceed along smoothly, without the hassles of table coin-box malfunctions (e.g. the person slams the coins home, but balls hang up in the collection compartment, and the table has to then be opened-up anyway to retrieve those captive balls). I've seen and played in barbox tourneys where this problem *alone* caused a lot of delays. Can you imagine if this happened continually on the streaming table? (Sure, some people may argue "but then the producers should switch to another [working] table to stream" -- having to now dismount and relocate all their video equipment in the middle of "show time." Or some may argue, "well stop using those %$#@! Valley barboxes and switch to Diamond SmartTables, you numbskulls!" Yeah right. Tell an establishment, at the time of the tourney, that they need to forklift upgrade all of their equipment to Diamond. S-u-r-e!!)
Stevie's actions were deplorable, for sure. But at the same time, in a small, sick, and poorly executed sort of way, he has a point -- the tables should be opened up. Not so much for his silly elitist "but I'm Stevie Moore, I'm a professional, and I'm being displayed to the world on a streaming table" notion, but rather for the fact that it keeps the tourney running smoothly -- no snags with inoperative coin boxes, hung/captive balls in the collection bin, cue balls that don't return properly (e.g. mistakenly go to the object ball collection bin), or anything like that. This is especially true on the streaming table -- snafus like these, on a live stream, would look pretty p*ss-poor -- definitely flying in the face of using the word "professional" to describe this championship tourney.
Just IMHO,
-Sean
There are so many good replies in this thread I can't quote them all but I'll choose a few of the best, then add my 2 cents.
seriously? This is basically stevies job and he thinks he was wronged. Now when i think im getting stiffed at work when it comes to money, i pipe up and say something and the amount has nothing to do with it. This is all he did but i guess his timing was bad! loosen up and stevie will come out of this fine, if not better for speaking up
Good post!
Everyone is assuming the other players in the event were upset to pay per game via coins. I was at the event. I played in all three ladies events. I played side by side pros and non pros, females and males. I never heard one person complain about having to put coins in per game.
It's the U.S. Bar Table Championships for goodness sake.
If everyone got away with heat of the moment decisions out prisons would be empty
I also agree with this 100% and everyone else who said in one way or another it would be better to raise the entry fee, lower the money added, or do whatever else you have to do to avoid having the players feed the tables for each game.
he just called him dumb or his stance on the situation dumb, he didn't harpoon him with his cue.
ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, we have a winner folks
There are plenty of others who feel just because a guy make more balls in a row then he doesn't that he deserves to be treated different.
All Stevie has to do is man up and apologize for his childish behavior and put this behind him. Will this change how people look at him , with some yes , with some no. Is it the adult thing to do, of course it is.