I was being nice, I know Tony very well since beatin' him in Sacramento in the late 70's. Theres' so much I love about this game and so much I hate, character, a mans word and ones integrity are ALL one has as we live.
USPPA Reno players, did they get paid?
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I was being nice, I know Tony very well since beatin' him in Sacramento in the late 70's. Theres' so much I love about this game and so much I hate, character, a mans word and ones integrity are ALL one has as we live.
rorywayne
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Name me any other sport, that does this to their pros or on their tours?
Its the fault of the players, which are a bunch of lone wolfs who never have ran in a pack well, or listened to any leadership.
They should all organize, and refuse to play unless all of the money is there, up front, handled by a 3rd party, which cant run off with it, and every player is paid, when he goes out, and every player is payed at the end of the event, in full.
If the top players refuse to come, until they have that, then there would be no event, or the promoter would freeze the funds for them.
This is all a disgrace, and an out rage. They have been working for peanuts, now they are asked to work for free? :frown:
Its the fault of the players, which are a bunch of lone wolfs who never have ran in a pack well, or listened to any leadership.
They should all organize, and refuse to play unless all of the money is there, up front, handled by a 3rd party, which cant run off with it, and every player is paid, when he goes out, and every player is payed at the end of the event, in full.
If the top players refuse to come, until they have that, then there would be no event, or the promoter would freeze the funds for them.
This is all a disgrace, and an out rage. They have been working for peanuts, now they are asked to work for free? :frown:
Mark Griffin is a 100% stand-up good guy ! Thats my humble opinion.
Bobby,
Mark has no choice but to be a "good guy". All his affiliations are pool related. Whether BCAPL, USAPL, CSI or the West Coast Diamond Distributorship, each might fail if a scandal like Reno occurred. Pool is a small community. I've only known Mark since he purchased the BCAPL. Know two things for sure though. One, he's a standup guy in person. Two, he's a businessman. Allowing a disaster like this to occur is just not in his nature! A few years ago I made a comment on AZ HE didn't agree with. My phone rang. A few times since we agreed to disagree. But he still called. Thats why I know Mark Griffin cares.
Lyn
Wow! That's pretty negative accusation on someone who's invested so much to better the game!
It is obvious you don't know Mark G. so let me clarify.
Mark pays the players because it's the right & ethical thing to do! Plain and simple. It doesn't have to be pool related, if he incurred a debt, then he would pay it back - no chasing him around and hiding behind locked doors and voice messages!
S.
Huh?............other him saying ''has no choice'' (poor choice of words) I think you made a mistake, he was saying allot of good about Mark.
OK... After that statement, I didn't read the rest... My head was fuming. Poor choice of words, maybe but it did sound as he was insinuating Mark is only doing the right thing as a business point of view...
S.
Note: this post has nothing to do with Mark...
One of the problems that I see with the pool world is that the players are so starved for money that they WILL continue playing for promoters who "slow pay" or even "no pay".
These guys have to finish in the top 5% of most events in order to actually make a profit and then they have to wonder if they are going to get paid or not.
We all know of promoters who have stalled players for their money, yet the players keep lining up to play in those events.
If a promoter knows he can do it once, then he will do it over and over again.
That doesn't even go into the idea of other "well respected" members of the pool community who have screwed the fans or players over. Yet folks keep lining up to work with them.
Mike
One of the problems that I see with the pool world is that the players are so starved for money that they WILL continue playing for promoters who "slow pay" or even "no pay".
These guys have to finish in the top 5% of most events in order to actually make a profit and then they have to wonder if they are going to get paid or not.
We all know of promoters who have stalled players for their money, yet the players keep lining up to play in those events.
If a promoter knows he can do it once, then he will do it over and over again.
That doesn't even go into the idea of other "well respected" members of the pool community who have screwed the fans or players over. Yet folks keep lining up to work with them.
Mike
Sunny,
I think the world of Mark. He has my respect. Personally and professionally. Don't agree with everything he says or does however. People do have to make choices every day. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. Mark has done some wonderful things for the pool players. Sometimes successfully. Sometimes not so successful. Don't think he gets enough credit for his efforts. Mark is a very good businessman. Continued success is not an accident. Perhaps you might read the rest of my original post you commented on. I'll be back in Vegas on the 11th. We can discuss my comments directly. I usually stop by the BCAPL offices to see Mark, Dave, Mark, Ron, Glenna and Bill while I'm in Vegas. If you still feel I've said something inappropriate, Mark knows both my phone number and e-mail addresses. Either of you are welcome to contact me. Anytime.
Lyn
Lynn, Like Sunny I had a little problem digesting the first sentence above. Of course Mark has a choice. We all do! And he has chosen to be honorable in his dealings, plain and simple. To say he has "no choice" is a bit insulting to a good man. You go on to diffuse that comment later on, but the "harm" had already been done. We all must use care in how we frame things, because the written word can easily be misconstrued. I would suggest you rethink that first statement about Mark and perhaps rephrase it.
usppa payouts?
hello all. im new to azbilliards but i have been wonderin about the usppa payouts also. i reside in marysville ca and i work and play out of a local pool hall there where we are startin up the usppa. was wonderin if im gettin into somethin i probably shouldnt be. please let me know everyone. thanks
hello all. im new to azbilliards but i have been wonderin about the usppa payouts also. i reside in marysville ca and i work and play out of a local pool hall there where we are startin up the usppa. was wonderin if im gettin into somethin i probably shouldnt be. please let me know everyone. thanks
Sometimes the words written black and white in Forum Land can be misconstrued. Knowing Lynn personally, I definitely do not believe he meant to say anything untoward about Mark.
I know very well how much it does hurt when things are written about loved ones on this forum. It hurts even more when the things that are written are intentional by bullies and their multiple-identitied troll friends. Usually, it is the loved one of a pool player or pool personality that gets hurt from cyber bullies. After all, they are, in effect, the target of the cyber bullies.
Again, I don't think anything mean-spirited or intentional was meant by Lynn at all, Sunny.
Recently, I have been doing some research on mythology for a work-related project in an attempt to get the correct spellings, and I came across a "Griffin." A Griffin is a Greek legendary creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle. As the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle was the king of the birds, the Griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature. :smile:
Here is the coat of arms for the House of Griffin. The Griffin also happens to be my Irish coat of arms, as depicted in my avatar.
Griffins are cool!
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Sunny,
I'm truely sorry for my poor choice of words to open my post:embarrassed2:. My respect for Mark is immense. You are correct. I only know Mark as a businessman. When I finally move to Vegas permanently, hopefully that situation will change. If you choose to do so, still want to meet you while I'm in Vegas next week. Again, my apology.
Lyn
I would wait until this all plays out before making a decision. The USPPA system has been around for along time and great for developing players skills.
I know and have been friends with the players and Tony for a long time and believe as the winner of the tournament does, it will be settled soon.
John is always the voice of reason, and then there's Kentucky :grin:
. Happy New Year, John & Bill.Dave
I actually think that in this case, as it pertains to forum culture, with posts added to threads from known and unknown entities, silence may be a preferred stance at this juncture. Legally speaking, I know it is.
I understand, though, that for inquiring minds, this sucks.
Lyn,
Thank you seeing it from my point of view. Although you may have written your reply with different intention it had come across to readers with different interpretation.
Your apology to me isn't necessary - but I do appreciate it.
Thanks and hope to chat with you in Vegas.
S.
Thank you seeing it from my point of view. Although you may have written your reply with different intention it had come across to readers with different interpretation.
Your apology to me isn't necessary - but I do appreciate it.
Thanks and hope to chat with you in Vegas.
S.