Varney - a few new j/b's
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what V groove? one of these would look cool if it were sitting next to a harvey martin tribute cue
Is your remark coming from your vast knowledge of cue physics or are you just looking to ride a dead horse?
Mr. Varney may have problems with his business practices but I don't believe that his construction methods have ever been called into question.
I'm not so much supporting Mr. Varney as I am wondering why you're going out of your way to breathe new life into a dead horse. I guess you just really want that ride.
It's pretty tough to get back on your feet when someone keeps pulling the rug out from beneath you. I see him making an effort.
i know you mean well but check your rep message
It has nothing to do with construction, or pyhsics, only asthetics. If you take a look at the J/B joint, you'll see what I'm referring too. It's called a v groove on pre-finished hardwood wood floor, and on my floor, the v-groove is considerably smaller than the one posted in the photo.
The only one who pulled the rug out, is Mr. Varney himself.
K.J. do you think that groove looks nice? Is that how you do your J/B's??
If you put a cue in the gallery, is it only right to sing praise on a cue?
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It's not my intent to engage in anything other than a civil discussion so I'll try to do my part.
I used the word 'physics' deliberately because there IS justification for putting a very small radius on each face at that joint (as well as at the shaft joint). The small diameter of the connection pin relative to the larger outside diameter of the joint itself creates a pivot point, the base of the pin. To better visualize this, imagine watching someone who really leans into the cue at the end of his break. At both the shaft jnt. & the J/B jnt., half of the jnt will open-up and the other half (the opposing side) will be in compression. It may be so slight as to not be seen but please be assured that it is happening.
As the 2 faces that are in compression press against each other, they are putting the clear-coat finish in 'sheer' to the surface it's applied to. Pretty soon the finish is chipped off of the very edge of the jnt(s) and nobody can figure-out why.
You only need look at some of the earlier McDs, Vikings, Meuccis, etc. to verify that many of them have chips in the finish at precisely this area. Many customs suffer the same fate.
I started putting the small radius (v-grove, though mine is a radius) on All of the edges of the jnts. many yrs ago. It first came about by accident and I think that's due to the way I shoot my finish. I had been pondering the problem of shearing finish just prior to this and quickly realized that this might just be the solution.
"Do I think it looks nice?" I don't think it looks bad if done correctly.
"Is that how you do your J/B's??" Actually, that's how I do all my cues, break, J/B & game.
It's interesting to note that several of the top manufacturers, McD included, have also adopted this practice on their cues. I guess we all arrived at the same conclusion at the same time.
"If you put a cue in the gallery, is it only right to sing praise on a cue?"
Actually critique of one's work can go both ways (+/-), as long as it's only of the work itself. Otherwise it becomes tainted don't you think?
Let me please reiterate that I'm not supporting Kevin or his actions that have brought him to this place in time.
My stance is for fair play and justice for all. It's the gang-bang, pile-on mentality that's very demeaning for AZB and it's image in the world.
Is that what we really want to be known for?
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Dead on, KJ. I have one cue which has this finish problem, and it has no radius on the joint collar (as luck would have it, it's a Varney player; my Varney j/b has all radiused collars and no finish problems).
I want to point out that this comment is to express my agreement with KJ, not to take shots at Varney or his cues. A few cues I've had in the past that had this problem were not Varneys. Just sayin...
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Keep em coming.
I'm well aware of finish problems at the joints, I use a slight radius on mine also. There is nothing slight or radius about that!
You don't think it looks bad if done correctly, so, in your opinion, was this done correctly, and do these ones look nice?
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Support is a great thing, but it is also a double edged sword. On one hand it can present an appearance that all is good, however, on the other hand it can also create a trap for others to fall into. I hope everyone realizes that either directly or indirectly their actions can cause heart ache for others who fall into the trap. This may or may not be intentional however, ones individual responsibility remains a factor. In addition when you throw your name into a pot with others and things go bad you have also become part of the problem.
With that said I agree that everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves, but when is enough truly enough, and how many times must people get stuck in bad transactions before something is done. Like I said above everyone deserves a chance at redemption, but a single good action doesn't out way countless bad deals over a number of years. Believe this or not I hope everyones support is vindicated, but I am doubtful because action speaks louder then any words spoken, and all there is to base opinions upon are the actions that have occurred.
JIMO
With that said I agree that everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves, but when is enough truly enough, and how many times must people get stuck in bad transactions before something is done. Like I said above everyone deserves a chance at redemption, but a single good action doesn't out way countless bad deals over a number of years. Believe this or not I hope everyones support is vindicated, but I am doubtful because action speaks louder then any words spoken, and all there is to base opinions upon are the actions that have occurred.
JIMO
I'll be happy to fix the problem free of charge...no worries. Its a simple fix.
Also...thank you KJ. You are very well spoken.
I went back and found out that Mr. Varney has actually made good to everyone's expectations......Mind you all he may have run into a few snags here and there but which cuemaker hasn'T???
On the other hand if you are into nascar and want a conversion with ugly ass checker rings just contact MANWON him and his dog will be more than happy to make you the ugliest azz cue. I ain't lying i have seen his cues in person
and in mho must be the absolutlety fugliest cues known to mankind Gerald
I went back and found out that Mr. Varney has actually made good to everyone's expectations......Mind you all he may have run into a few snags here and there but which cuemaker hasn'T???
On the other hand if you are into nascar and want a conversion with ugly ass checker rings just contact MANWON him and his dog will be more than happy to make you the ugliest azz cue. I ain't lying i have seen his cues in person
Gerald
Thanks for the compliment Gerald, and please keep swinging on that Pole Leather Boy!!!!!:grin:
Gerald is not lying about seeing my cues in person, we do know each other, but what he has neglected to tell everyone is that the girl on the right side of his signature block is his current girl friend. Candy is a sweet girl, and I think it is kinda wrong that he is posting her photo with it's current intent. I suppose it takes all kinds, all I can say is grow up Gerald you have always been such an Ass Clown!!!!
Good night Gerald, stop by some time with Candy, well make a special seat for her!!
Sweet Candy!!!!
man she is hot sweet and Sticky!!!!
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I figured that one out very early on. Nothing worse then the edges chipping on a new cue. I only do a very fine champers on the joints. It's only very slightly visible, but It's enough, and your right It does make a huge difference as a preventative measure.