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erikido

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So I was gambling with this guy and he kept on chasing the nine ball and they would go in a lot of the time. It started to get real annoying. So I asked if he wanted to play call your pocket on the nine. He says yes. But, then he just calls the nine on every shot in the nearest pocket even if he isn't shooting for it. He gets left with this shot...

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. So naturally he calls the nine in the corner pocket and the 5 goes around 4 rails to send the 9 ball in. I have just decided to not gamble with this guy ever again. It was obvious the intent of call the 9 ball and calling it on literally every other shot is not only ridiculous but quite annoying.
 
I always wondered about this. If you are playing call the nine, and you don't make it, shouldn't your inning end? I can see where you could argue that you r inning should continue, but then there are guys like this. I hate "slop shot magic..."
 
Dude, your preaching to the choir. Everything you explained is what 9ball is all about. Did you ever think he was chasing the 9 because he realized it pissed you off? You have got to fade that crap from novice players, bear down and beat his brains out with better play..........or
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play 14.1 or 1 pocket......

Gerry
 
IMO, if you are the better player you would still win most sets. 9 ball is full of luck, good and bad. My guess is that for all of his efforts in banging the 9 ball around he must leave some hanging that will be easy for you to pocket.

Paul Mon
 
I'm not a real strong player (I don't gamble, either) but if that guy tried those "tactics" with some of the players I know, he wouldn't win many games, luck or no luck, I'll tell you that.
 
Paul Mon said:
IMO, if you are the better player you would still win most sets. 9 ball is full of luck, good and bad. My guess is that for all of his efforts in banging the 9 ball around he must leave some hanging that will be easy for you to pocket.

Paul Mon

If you can't outrun his "luck", you really shouldn't be gambling with him.
 
I think I know this guy, or the at least an alum of his at the shit kicking school of 9 ball. Next time shake it up a bit. Just lock him down, hokk him in every way possible. A couple of three fouls and you are sure to get his attention.
 
There was a guy like this at the room I played in. He didn't gamble, but played much the same way. He beat a local shortstop in an in-house league match and the shortstop quit the league, he was so mad. When I played him in our league match, I simply gave him nothing to shoot at, locked him up every shot, and won.
Same guy played in the B.C. Open one year and because I was watching a match on a near table, saw his match with Howard Vickery. After the first few minutes, Howard started playing the exact same way. Howard won, and it was kinda funny to watch. I've heard that the 9 ball rider no longer plays.
 
Wow, a whole thread devoted to losing to morons! I will literally drool on myself every time one of these guys asks me to play AND YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM!
 
erikido said:
So I was gambling with this guy and he kept on chasing the nine ball and they would go in a lot of the time. It started to get real annoying. So I asked if he wanted to play call your pocket on the nine. He says yes. But, then he just calls the nine on every shot in the nearest pocket even if he isn't shooting for it. He gets left with this shot...

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. So naturally he calls the nine in the corner pocket and the 5 goes around 4 rails to send the 9 ball in. I have just decided to not gamble with this guy ever again. It was obvious the intent of call the 9 ball and calling it on literally every other shot is not only ridiculous but quite annoying.

Everytime he stinks one in. just raise the bet.
 
After some thought, I remember two or three guys who played about the 8 ball under me at the time, would play this way in ring game situations sometimes, depending on who was in the game. One guy in particular was pretty good at it. He knew where the balls were going, at least some of the time, when he played that way. He didn't book too many losers, either. He was often accused of "playing just good enough to win". You may want to give some thought to how often this guy beats you.
 
while these guys are not giving you the sympathy you may be looking for, their statements are correct. You should be able to outrun a guy like this. I feel where you are coming from. I have a player in my room that is that exact way. It used to frustrate the hell out of me but you just have to keep grinding it out. I now torture that guy everytime I play him. Sure I'll lose a key game or set here or there because of his luck but I always end up on top by the end of the night. Like the other guys here said, just play smarter and you will learn how to win against these guys. You will encounter all types of players and situations in this wonderful game. If you are going to be good you need to learn how to deal with these things mentally and push on.... jmo
Rob
 
Are you kidding? First of all, please send me an idiot who bangs rails and calls miracle shots. I'd even pray he made a few of them just so he wouldn't get away!

On another note however, here is a perfect example of the evolution from that wonder game of straight pool to nine ball. If you don't want poop in your game, try some 14.1.

LOL, I was just thinking how devistating that guys game would be to him if he tried that with one hole. (and you don't have to call your shots in 1H) :)


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I did want to add that saying that is no implication that I am any world beater player. I assume that since you are gambling with this person you are either about the same speed or compensating accordingly with some weight. That said, no matter what level you play on ... bring on the nut that goes crazy with slamming balls around. They have to loose.
 
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See this is the annoying thing. He is actually a pretty damn good shooter(I just play better patterns. He is a better shotmaker). For those of you who know the usppa he probably plays a strong 60 speed. He just happens to slam into them whenever there happens to be a chance. Not only does he make the damn thing a lot of the time. but, most of the time when he misses he either A) slops another ball in with some miraculous shape and then ends up running out or B) locks me up.

Now I know what you guys are saying. But, in the 2 hours we played I broke and ran out four and was getting out most of the time it was open. So it is not like I am not playing well. He really does just get that lucky...It seems like 9 out of 10 rolls will go his way. But, Like I said it was really just a vent. I wasn't looking for pity.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, a whole thread devoted to losing to morons! I will literally drool on myself every time one of these guys asks me to play AND YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM!
Thats what I was thinking.... I was also thinking that this is where 3 fouling your opponent comes in really handy. Hes trying to ride the 9, so you start trying to safe every ball. He will get the message.... and if he doesnt, you have some maney game practice for safety play.
I knew a guy like this once..... his name was Mickey. Mickey played pretty decent, but would ride the 9 way too often. To counter his mind game (his was doing it to intentionally screw with people).... I would duck on every shot I was at the table. After a while he quit doing it when we played, and we actually had some good sets after that.
Chuck
 
You can try safing the guy all the time, but that may or may not do it. I know one good player in particular, who not only plays well, but has terrific luck besides. This makes him VERY hard to beat in his home room, and people have commented on this for years. If your guy really isn't just lucking them in, he may be harder to beat than a lot of people think. Don't get reckless. Experiment.
 
arsenius said:
I always wondered about this. If you are playing call the nine, and you don't make it, shouldn't your inning end? I can see where you could argue that you r inning should continue, but then there are guys like this. I hate "slop shot magic..."

Funny you mentioned this. Sounds absurd in today's standards of pool, but at the 2 rooms i frequent, I've introduced this rule for my money matches. Specially if i'm giving balls away. It's become known as the "Ty Rule" and now the majority of brighter players are using it. Who knows maybe I started something that might spread around.

I'm a big advocate of straight pool, was raised on calling shots, and if you CALL a shot, then I think you must make THAT shot to continue shooting. If playing a luck game like 9-ball, don't call a shot unless you don't care about loosing your inning. I believe 9-ball should be called shots to begin with. It wouldn't hurt the tv listings, or match times, and people might start getting smart of what to clap for.
 
I am gonna tell you a story.

I had heard about a place in Ft. Lauderdale called the Midnight Lounge or Midnight's. The reason is because it opened at midnight and stayed open until the last person left. It was a private bottle club. You brought the liquor and just paid for the "setup" of the glass and the mixers.

Anyway, what I heard was that they gambled high there so I decided to check it out. I went there with about $80 one night jsut to get a taste of what was what. I immediately get into a 10/20 5 and 9 ring game. I hang with them for about 30 minutes and pull up when I get 60 loser. I am playing the two main gamblers in the place. Bowling Alley Ron and some other guy whose name escapes me. Bowling Alley supposedly manages/owns a bowling alley and bets the proceeds.

Anyway I pull up without showing any speed so they don't have me clocked at all.

A few weeks later I make a point of camping out in the parking lot about an hour before they open so I can be the first one to match up.

Ron walks in about 12:30am and we get right to it. I have just over $1500 on me. We agree to play for 20 a game. I win one and Ron wins one and we jack the bet to 50 a game. Same thing I win one and he wins one and we jack the bet to $100 a game.

We play for four hours at $100 a game and I can't get ahead of him because he is uncanny at rolling the 9. The guy literally chooses to ride the nine instead of trying to run out four balls and on the big pocket Gandy he's making it a lot. After getting even for the 20th time I ask him if he wants to jack the bet to $200 a game. He agrees.

At this point this is the most I have ever played for per game. In the first game he misses and leaves me three stop shots, the 7,8, and 9 hanging. I miss the seven. Then he breaks and makes a ball and rides the nine on the next shot and makes it. And it goes this way for three more games until I am down a thousand.

When I miss an easy shot to get to a thousand loser I break my cue. I tell him I am taking a break and go the bathroom. When I come out I am still mad and I grab a cue off the wall and he breaks. I don't even check the cue to see if it has a tip. He doesn't make a ball and I am left with a 1:9 combo. There's 200 back.

I break and get a 1:15 carom. Yes, it's a 9 foot coin-op table. 400 back.

From that point on I don't lose another game until I bust him ending up 10 games winner and getting paid 1800 and stiffed on the last game. I tried to buy the house cue from the bar man for $100 and he wouldn't sell it to me. :-)

It was definitely frustrating to watch him ride the nine so much and it put a hitch in my game. I got a little lucky after I was down to two barrels but that was what I needed to focus on my game and not his.

The point is that if you are going to play someone who rides the nine and you think that call the nine will stop him then you are focusing on his game too much. Let him call the nine every shot and bust him.
 
I play in a decent local tournament 2 times a week. When I first started going there about a year ago or so there was a group of 4 brothers that loved to ride the nine, people called them the banger brothers. They could all run an open table and 2 of them might break and run a rack in a race to 5. The first few times I played them I lost, I was furious, how could they beat me? I realized that them playing that way took me out of my game and I started to think about if I missed they were gonna cheese me, the miss was in my head. The solution is to just play, don't think about the idiot shooting after you. You get more chances than you realize against a player like that. They might make one or two but for the one or two they make they miss 2 or 3. Needless to say now days they had enough of me kicking their ass and now only one of them comes to the tournament haha.

Eric.A.
 
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