Video - Nevel Vs Deuel - 10 Ball match where Deuel uses softbreak

Neil said:
First, I did NOT say Corey wasn't a runout player. He surely is. I guess my take on it is along the lines of safety play. Not sharking. If you are faced with a safety, or a shot, and the safety will net you more down the road, which do you take? The safety. I just feel that Corey has extended this line of thinking all the way back to the very begining of the game- the break. I think that it is actually quit shrewd what Corey is doing. He has spent countless hours devising an edge, and he should be allowed to exploit that edge.

Granted, it's always nice to see the top players doing runouts. But, a lot can be learned from how they handle Coreys break. Now, I haven't spent time figuring it out, but just experience alone tells me that there are ways to turn that break back on Corey. For example- you can tie the balls up more than what they are. Forcing Corey into safe mode, not runout mode. Of course, it all depends on how the balls lie. But there are options. The other players mainly aren't utilizing them though. They just get frustrated, even knowing that Corey is going to do it.

Good post, let me say this. How does this stradegy favor cory? I mean how is he using this stradegy to win a match? Do you know what I mean? whats your take on it?
 
Well I was curious so I took a look at the match.

Larry blew this match pure and simple. Cory's break was not the determining factor at all unless you purely look at the sharking factor it might have had on a mentally weak Nevel.

Lets look at the match, Larry gets up 4-0 before Cory even gets off his first break.

Cory breaks soft at 4-1, Nevel pushes out, Cory blows a safety about as bad as one can possibly manage to blow one short of scratching and leaves Nevel perfect on the ball. Nevel runs out the rack nicely, gets on a duck 9-ball that most a players would make 90% of the time, and be blows it. Should have been up 5-1 instead it is now 4-2.

Next game, another soft breaks, Larry grabs his jump cue and hits a phenomenal jump shot on the 1. Now he has a easily makable 2 and full control of the table, not sure where Cory is supposed to be getting some sort of advantage from this goofy break other then making Larry lose his cool over getting control of the table on every one of Cory's breaks because of it. Larry after this game should have been up 6-1, instead he manages to blow it and ends up at 4-3.

Larry Nevel and his raging emotional game at the table shows why so many American players get murdered in the WPC when they end up playing players from Asia with ZERO emotion at the table. And Cory while he manages to keep his cool in matches shows exactly why money on him winning the WPC is money poorly bet because beyond the sharking effect of his tricky little breaks and whatnot there is little substance there and those Asian players with zero emotion are not going to fold like Nevel did, they are going to shrug off the idiocy of those breaks and blow Cory out of the water.
 
Neil you are spot on here too

Watching the video it seemed that an open break was rolling the dice, it might or might not be an advantage to break. Corey's safe break almost always worked to his advantage especially after he realized it was getting into Larry's head.

Corey plays one of the canniest games in pool. I don't know that he is the smartest player but he applies his mind to all aspects of a match or event seeking every legal edge, even some that are marginal at times. He plays the table like everyone, but he also plays the other player, the rack, the venue, and the particular set of rules in affect there.

Hu


Neil said:
This is my take- he's a runout player. Larry is a runout player. So who has the edge? That can't be determined until several breaks. When you see who has the better break on that table at that time. So then it comes down to how to get the advantage right at the git-go. One way is to NOT make a ball on the break, and leave no shot. Now, your opponent either has to kick or push. Either SHOULD put you in the 'drivers seat'. Now, YOU are in control of the game, and it's yours to lose, not your opponents. I say lose, because a win is given if given an open shot.
 
ShootingArts said:
Watching the video it seemed that an open break was rolling the dice, it might or might not be an advantage to break. Corey's safe break almost always worked to his advantage especially after he realized it was getting into Larry's head.

Hu

We must have been watching a different match. If you actually just look at each break and what took place you would see that Nevel made a ball off most of his breaks and had a good shot on the 1-ball after the break therefore having control of the table. Cory on the other hand gave away control of the table on every single break, allowing the pushout or offensive jumpshot. He had Nevel jump in a ball, play a pushout that Cory then butchered a safe off of, he scratched on one of the "safe" breaks, he blows a break late in the set and leaves Nevel a shot up to the upper left hand corner, again having control of the table.

Cory's break was useless, he had no advantage at all on that break. He won the match because Larry decided to fold like a leaf. If Cory had been playing a strong breaker with alot of mental strength like Wu Chia Ching he would have gotten drilled in that set due to giving up any advantage the break could give him while Wu would be getting control of the table more times then not off his own hard break given balls were falling on that table when you broke hard.
 
Celtic said:
We must have been watching a different match. If you actually just look at each break and what took place you would see that Nevel made a ball off most of his breaks and had a good shot on the 1-ball after the break therefore having control of the table. Cory on the other hand gave away control of the table on every single break, allowing the pushout or offensive jumpshot. He had Nevel jump in a ball, play a pushout that Cory then butchered a safe off of, he scratched on one of the "safe" breaks, he blows a break late in the set and leaves Nevel a shot up to the upper left hand corner, again having control of the table.

Cory's break was useless, he had no advantage at all on that break. He won the match because Larry decided to fold like a leaf. If Cory had been playing a strong breaker with alot of mental strength like Wu Chia Ching he would have gotten drilled in that set due to giving up any advantage the break could give him while Wu would be getting control of the table more times then not off his own hard break given balls were falling on that table when you broke hard.

















































































































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3andstop said:
I'm very happy to see these pool videos provided on line, but I'm also very curious as to why they seem to be playing these matches in the dark. Surely a digital camcorder can pick ambient light up better than this. Does anyone know why its so dark around the table?
Video needs a ton of light. That is why Accustats and ESPN TV tables look like they are under flood lights.
 
That break is unreal. If he makes the one ball he is going to be around the two. Then uses the six to break up the 8, 9, and 10 ball. I think I might start using that. It seems like he has studied that a lot and it works.
 
musta been

We must have been watching a different match. How many times did Larry break and run out or break and run to a great safety? Perhaps I did miss something or perhaps you did.

Hu


Celtic said:
We must have been watching a different match. If you actually just look at each break and what took place you would see that Nevel made a ball off most of his breaks and had a good shot on the 1-ball after the break therefore having control of the table. Cory on the other hand gave away control of the table on every single break, allowing the pushout or offensive jumpshot. He had Nevel jump in a ball, play a pushout that Cory then butchered a safe off of, he scratched on one of the "safe" breaks, he blows a break late in the set and leaves Nevel a shot up to the upper left hand corner, again having control of the table.

Cory's break was useless, he had no advantage at all on that break. He won the match because Larry decided to fold like a leaf. If Cory had been playing a strong breaker with alot of mental strength like Wu Chia Ching he would have gotten drilled in that set due to giving up any advantage the break could give him while Wu would be getting control of the table more times then not off his own hard break given balls were falling on that table when you broke hard.
 
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