Videotaped My Draw Shot

if his tip is "dipping into" the cloth,,,like at the very end(like a nose dive),,rather than a smooth stroke to the cloth, then he's not dropping his elbow and his cue is not level. but this doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause of his misses.

hey, drcue, line up a straight shot and lay your cue down on the table, and see if the cue is lined up. or have someone look at your cue from the front.
 
HE said it was pulling to the left.

bruin70 said:
if his tip is "dipping into" the cloth,,,like at the very end(like a nose dive),,rather than a smooth stroke to the cloth, then he's not dropping his elbow and his cue is not level. but this doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause of his misses.

hey, drcue, line up a straight shot and lay your cue down on the table, and see if the cue is lined up. or have someone look at your cue from the front.
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He said it was pulling to the left, and if that's the case it is imparting an inconsistent amount of spin that he cannot adjust for, this WOULD throw off his shot.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?DCP
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You can fix it with a decent instructor who can analyze your video. I suggest the Pool School or any of their instructors who advocate the Set, Pause, Finish approach.

Fred
 
sonia said:
... THE CUE STICK CANNOT CATCH UP TO THE CUE BALL. THE TRAIN HAS ALREADY LEFT THE PLATFORM. THE HORSE HAS ALREADY LEFT THE BARN.
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You got action! I will bet I can do it. Just a warning tho, I play really good once every so often :eek: .
 
Hal, Email me!

sonia said:
THERE IS NOTHING HAPPENING BEFORE YOU HIT THE BALL. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING MISSING POCKETING BALLS?

WHAT DOES MY CAPLOCK KEY HAVE TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION? A RED HERRING, PERHAPS. OUT OF AMMUNITION? A PLOY TO REGROUP?

HAVE A NICE DAY
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Hal, shoot me an email to caneman@clnk.com. New computer and didn't retrieve all of my email addresses from the old one.

Later,

Bob
 
watch the video in slow mo and see if you're hitting the cueball on the center of the horizontal axis

DrCue'sProtege said:
anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?

i didnt shoot the shot too bad, got the cue ball to draw back nicely sometimes, but only a couple of times straight back to the tip.

so thats what the videotape revealed, my cue veering to MY left right after impact on just about every shot. i missed some to the right, some to the left, but as i said the cue seemed to head left right after impact.

thoughts posters?
DCP
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What i think is happening

DrCue'sProtege said:
i set up the camcorder tonight and, as best as i could, videotaped my draw shot/stroke in hopes of finding something. i zoomed in on the ball so i could see what i was doing at delivery.

anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?

i didnt shoot the shot too bad, got the cue ball to draw back nicely sometimes, but only a couple of times straight back to the tip.

so thats what the videotape revealed, my cue veering to MY left right after impact on just about every shot. i missed some to the right, some to the left, but as i said the cue seemed to head left right after impact.

thoughts posters?
DCP
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I think since you miss some to the left and some to the right coupled with the cue veering to left on the follow through that your problem is definitely your stroke. I think that because your stroke is out of alignment that it varies where and how you hit the ball.

When you come through the ball, sometimes you are probably going from left to right and then pulling to the left on your follow through, this will put right spin and left squirt on the cueball, that will make you miss it to the right.

Sometimes you'll hit the cueball pulling from straight to left with a left swinging follow through this will put right squirt and left spin causing you to sometimes make it and sometimes miss to the left depending on how off your stroke is...

Regardless of the specifics of how you're missing, to fix it you need to develop a straighter stroke and follow through. Try my previous post on practicing with a tennis ball, I'm sure you will improve, or just practice stroking straight on the pool table into the rail.
 
OK I feel like I should chime in here. I feel this is a foot alignment problem.

Hal Mix god rest his soul was a professional coach of pro players and had an uncanny eye for breaking down fundamentals. The harder the stroke the more pronounced the flaws in our stroke become.

Try this:

Set up in your stance with your bridge on the rail. Place it in line with your stick covering the line of where the cloth meets the wood. Take some strokes and check for tip position on the follow thru. Do not try and keep the tip centered on the line, just stroke and see where the tip ends up. Then stoke the same stoke as the draw shot and freeze everything at the end. Does it swerve to the left or right of that line?

If it does (assuming everything else in your fundamental mechanics is correct) here is what you do. Assuming your right handed and the cue ends up to the left of the line. Turn your back foot (Right) slightly outward. If the tip ends up right of the line turn your back foot slightly inward.

I found this helped me greatly when breaking as I was not hitting the cueball where I thought I was. I suggest everyone try it before knocking it because it works. Be very detailed with your footwork to find that happy medium.

Thoughts everyone?
 
DCP,

It's how you're aligning your body to your shot. If you have a qualified instructor in your area, see if they can help you.

Barbara

DrCue'sProtege said:
i set up the camcorder tonight and, as best as i could, videotaped my draw shot/stroke in hopes of finding something. i zoomed in on the ball so i could see what i was doing at delivery.

anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?

i didnt shoot the shot too bad, got the cue ball to draw back nicely sometimes, but only a couple of times straight back to the tip.

so thats what the videotape revealed, my cue veering to MY left right after impact on just about every shot. i missed some to the right, some to the left, but as i said the cue seemed to head left right after impact.

thoughts posters?
DCP
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It amy well be.

Barbara said:
Yep!

Barbara
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The cause of the inconsistent stroke may very well be foot alignment; however, that's impossible to tell without seeing it for ourselves. inconsistent stroke can be caused by so many things and you can have bad foot alignment and still stroke straight as an arrow.
 
My guess is DrCueP's has always unknowingly favored the right side of the cue ball while setting up and has always made a last second stroke correction to the left. About 75% of all the players I've video taped and studied have this problem. It's not a new problem to pool but it is a new discovery. I had no idea how common it was. I know you have purchased a 3rd Eye from someone, I don't know if you watched your DVD yet. I suggest you watch it, use the 3rd Eye to make sure you are approaching center ball to start off with. You have been following thru to the left for a long time and it will be a hard habit to break so tell yourself a few things before you shoot (with the 3rd Eye on the cue stick)
#1 I am in the center of the ball.
#2 I am going to keep my backhand soft and not twist it.
#3 Be willing to miss the shot, the goal is to line up straight and then stay straight so make that your priority. If you miss consistently to one side while staying straight adjust over (even though it may look wrong) and do the same thing.
Center approach, stay soft and stay straight. Almost every player I go thru this with gets the same efffect. At first the shot looks wrong, no way am i lined up straight, but after they hit a few good ones with dead center ball they become a little more open to the fact that they were naturally lined up and aiming wrong before so the correct picture doesn't look right to them. After making the correction your old habit will always want to come back but you should then be able to recognize what's going on and then know how to correct it.

Barbara, you asked me a question a few days ago, I sent you a pm, did you get it?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i set up the camcorder tonight and, as best as i could, videotaped my draw shot/stroke in hopes of finding something. i zoomed in on the ball so i could see what i was doing at delivery.

anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?

i didnt shoot the shot too bad, got the cue ball to draw back nicely sometimes, but only a couple of times straight back to the tip.

so thats what the videotape revealed, my cue veering to MY left right after impact on just about every shot. i missed some to the right, some to the left, but as i said the cue seemed to head left right after impact.

thoughts posters?
DCP
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Here is my answer to every question you constantly ask on this forum.

Practice..practice..practice...gamble...compete...practice..gamble..compete.....quit worrying about minor details until you have your fundamentals down. I don't really know where you're at in your game, but learn the basics and then start fine tuning.

Stay off the computer and IN the pool room if you want to be a great player.
 
Joe T said:
Barbara, you asked me a question a few days ago, I sent you a pm, did you get it?
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Yes I did, Joe. Let me think about when I can make a road trip.

Barbara
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it?DCP
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Could you add a few important details: do you play right handed?
is it the tip, the butt, or the whole cue that is going to the left on your follow through?
does the cue ball end up with english on it?
can you post the video? and take another from directly in front, or directly behind and post as wel?

There are plenty of certified instructors on AZ that could assist with your problem if we had more info.

Thanks,

-td
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
... anyway, i noticed my cue is constantly going to my left on my follow through. anybody have this problem? and is this actually a problem? if so, how can i fix it? ...
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I've had a similar problem. Mine was due to faulty head position, probably. Are you right or left handed?

It's going to be hard for you to develop consistency with a swerving stroke, but it can be done.

This is the sort of thing that any good instructor should be able to help you with, but it will probably take several months of work on your part. From my own experience, I'd say it's too bad you didn't catch this earlier. Most players are not willing to put in the work.
 
OK, you're a guy so this might not be relevant and someone else already addressed it, but I have the same problem with hard draws because I am punching myself in the boob. I also was consistently going to the left of center after contact (I am right-handed), because I was winging out my elbow to the right at the last second. I am short, so accurately aiming down the shaft I am low and there isn't much room to stand up on the shot to avoid it. I found I was 'steering' at the last minute to avoid impact. Now, I have to twist my hips more sideways, cock my wrist, or do a little sidearm so I can follow through hard. If you are running into your chest before delivery or on impact, change your stance a little and it might help on a straighter follow-through. I feel even the snooker stance would be better, where their bodies are so far off to the side would help.
 
Joe T said:
My guess is DrCueP's has always unknowingly favored the right side of the cue ball while setting up
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I worked with Hal Mix in the early 80's -- He determined that I was aiming right for center-ball hits. I found that if I lined up similar to how Karen Corr aligns her feet, (both feet perpendicular to her cue), I would shoot straight as an arrow, however awkward it may have felt. Hal suggested that I use the stance that resulted in a center-ball hit.

Hal was a great guy and I miss him dearly.
 
Didn’t read all post. Not sure if you have tried this.

I started on a 6x12 table so this was an easy and necessary practice for straight cueing. Place your cue directly over break line covering the full length of the line. Make practice strokes and look to see if you are following the line when stroking. If the line is popping out one side or other a few things can cause it. Gripping too tight, elbow left or right of cue line when stroking (this would create a left/right or right/left arc in your stroke line). If you start cocking your wrist to compensate, you are doing exactly that, compensating not correcting the problem. That would be like shooting a gun and missing the target and instead of aiming correctly you move the target. When you find your straight stroke power will not be a problem.
 
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