Vintage Ivory cue Id please help!

[measureman]

I'd like to see both! Please! :grin:

Send cash.

 

[measureman]

Ok just having fun. Next day or so I will scan and post some pictures.
Send cash. Not having fun this time.

 

[skierlawyer]

Early Martin Joint

This picture from the Billiards Encyclopedia second edition, combined with the other design elements, leads me to believe the cue in this thread is a Martin. The butt cap on the cue is identical to my Martin. Made from an ivory billiard, or cue ball. The leather wrap is identical to my Martin. The forearm is identical to my Martin. The only unique elements of this cue are the name plate, and the joint. The joint is plausible, based on this pic. The evidence points to Martin.

 

[Chopdoc]

Still nobody has commented on the letters I think I see stamped on the joint face. Does anybody else see them?

I don't deny it has elements of a Martin...but that joint is different in the extreme I think.



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[classiccues]

Looking at the cue, this is my .02 cents.

Cuemaker has some knowledge of metal machining. The shaft threads are cut from a hunk of metal and that means the threads are machined out of that chunk of steel. Without submitting the cue to an x-ray I am guessing that the inserts are threaded on the other side and into the shafts. Those shafts could be machined by two different people. The older looking shaft has an undercut on the thread to the shaft diameter shoulder and its pronounced. The other shaft looks like the threads just run out towards that shoulder. Butt cap looks like a turned cueball.

Could be a Martin, wrap kind of looks like his. I have never seen a Martin with a name band like that. Could have been added at a later time?!?!? The problem with mystery cues is that you need to hope there is something on record, picture, known cue, that is so similar within reason that you can tie the two together.

JV

 

[skierlawyer]

Martin usually put the owner of the cue's name on the butt, and their initials engraved on the face of the joint. Yet more evidence that this is a Martin. It really could be anything, we can't know for sure. I do know, its a very cool cue.

 

[Chopdoc]

Martin usually put the owner of the cue's name on the butt, and their initials engraved on the face of the joint. Yet more evidence that this is a Martin.

That's what I was thinking.

The joint style is certainly wildly different...but if those are initials on the joint fact it supports the idea of a Martin.



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[cueaddicts]

I would tend to think it's not a H.Martin, due to the joint/pin design and metal bands. Never seen one that incorporates those. Neat old cue for sure !!

 

[classiccues]

The more I look at other HM's it does fit the profile! (some unique features though)

Bert S. Still the best person to contact for ID on these? Anyone know?

I checked with Bert and he said he didn't know... :grin:

JV

 

[PickPocket]

Still nobody has commented on the letters I think I see stamped on the joint face. Does anybody else see them?

I don't deny it has elements of a Martin...but that joint is different in the extreme I think.



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Here is a better Pic. :thumbup:

 

[PickPocket]

New Pictures to add... Hoping for a Positive ID

Just some more Pic's & Info to keep digging.... :thumbup:

PS. Overall weight is about 22 OZ.

 

[PickPocket]

Additional Pics

Hope this helps... (Sorry Mods for the double post)

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

I've stared at this thread since it was posted..... If I was to lay a wager it would be on Robinson. Has anyone contacted him? I know that a few years ago he was still building cues, but I don't closely follow his cues, so I don't have info for him, or know if he's still working.

I would bet strongly against Martin. I've been wrong many, many times before, but the joint, although similar in general appearance, is way different than the Martin joint that was pictured. The amount of metal in this cue also pushes me away from Martin.

 

[PickPocket]

Robinson

I've stared at this thread since it was posted..... If I was to lay a wager it would be on Robinson. Has anyone contacted him? I know that a few years ago he was still building cues, but I don't closely follow his cues, so I don't have info for him, or know if he's still working.

I would bet strongly against Martin. I've been wrong many, many times before, but the joint, although similar in general appearance, is way different than the Martin joint that was pictured. The amount of metal in this cue also pushes me away from Martin.

I have sent an email to Robinson Cues with a link to the thread.

Well... Here ya go AZ, NOT a Robinson:

"Hi,

The cue is not a Robinson, I don’t know who the maker is. Sorry I can’t be of more help.

Greg Robinson"

 

[PickPocket]

Bump....

Just figured It's been a while maybe someone with new eye's will have info!
:thumbup:

 

[skierlawyer]

I still think its a Martin

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

What's the name on the plate?

 

[cueman]

The more I look at other HM's it does fit the profile! (some unique features though)

Bert S. Still the best person to contact for ID on these? Anyone know?

Bert passed away years ago. RIP!

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Hard to believe its not a Martin, just going off the similarities of other cues...esp wrap and such. Im sure someone else will remember this, esp maybe a dealer but there was a cue similar to this at the DCC when it was at the Executive. There was a guy there maybe in his 50s or early 60s that had a couple cues in a gun case he was trying to sell. Only reason I remember is because I ask him if he would sell the case. He had 4 cues and I remember for a fact that one was a Martin, two were Tads and the other he swore was a Martin. All of them were plain jane cues but the no name one had a name plate on it, like the one in this thread. The only difference was the joint. If you could find out who the person was on the name plate maybe there was a few of them made, with different joints or that joint was added later.

These are just a couple Googled pics

 

[PickPocket]

name plate..

What's the name on the plate?

"J.S. Ronan" - on the name plate located on the Butt. (I have not been able to track anyone down for this)

"W J B"." & "3" (at the bottom) Located on the flat surface of the shaft pin (Joint Pin in Shaft, NOT butt section.)