I think this will have a negative effect on the forum. All we will see is individual cue flippers, not the great dealers that have been here for years. No more DVDs from Lenny, come on! This is a very short sighted idea. Make changes, OK, not barriers. Bring people in, not discourage them.
Wanted/For Sale Section to Change in New Year
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I'd like to think they want feedback also. I was huge on believing we were a community. However, look at all the suggestions made in the last "here's the new way" post from the mods. Look at all the suggestions made and discussed by the members. The mods have made one change since then, banning sellers of new product. Did anyone even suggest that? All I'm saying is the thing were we believe we can effect change is an illusion.
Thanks
Kevin
This is a perfect idea. If you want to sell new items, pay money like other advertisers do. It's only fair. Otherwise, why on earth would ANYONE pay to advertise if they could just come to the forum and do it for free? The one caveat is there should be a section for builders. That is the only aspect of "new" i wish to keep. Makers are virtually self employed, they are not a distributor selling someone else's product. Then again, I know this theory can be bungled by determined individuals. Enough with the cue flippers....there is plenty of room for you, but you should have to pay like the other companies. if you're making a profit, do as other companies do and include the cost of selling into the price. They do it in any other area of commerce, why not here?
Brent
The thing about being a Club Member having any bearing on participation was an idea only discussed by the members. It might be a good idea, but again, its merely a thing discussed by the member and has no bearing. It does seem like this deal will be a bit unfair to a guy like you.
Sorry
Kevin
Interesting. I felt I had to apologize for getting in the way of people's business by advertising a cue for sale or that I was looking for something. It is so commercial I thought that's what was intended.
Will we still see people cutting and pasting descriptions and pics from Ebay auctions they have won? Saying how the cue shoots when they don't even have it in their hands yet because the auction was won less than an hour before? Or telling us they have owned it for 30 years when it was just bought in a public auction for all to see? Lying about a cue's condition because they have never actually touched it? Selling 30 or 40 cues while claiming that they have shot with them while at the same time claiming their circumstances prevent such a thing? When all they do is buy and sell cues are they considered to be a commercial venture?
I am just wondering aloud......
Thank you so much for the heads up. I actually thought personal type sales were "in the way", now I find out it only looked that way and it was intended to be that such sales were the primary content of the forum.
I wouldn't argue for or against it either way. I'll just say thanks for the heads up on rules changes. :thumbup:
Will we still see people cutting and pasting descriptions and pics from Ebay auctions they have won? Saying how the cue shoots when they don't even have it in their hands yet because the auction was won less than an hour before? Or telling us they have owned it for 30 years when it was just bought in a public auction for all to see? Lying about a cue's condition because they have never actually touched it? Selling 30 or 40 cues while claiming that they have shot with them while at the same time claiming their circumstances prevent such a thing? When all they do is buy and sell cues are they considered to be a commercial venture?
I am just wondering aloud......
Thank you so much for the heads up. I actually thought personal type sales were "in the way", now I find out it only looked that way and it was intended to be that such sales were the primary content of the forum.
I wouldn't argue for or against it either way. I'll just say thanks for the heads up on rules changes. :thumbup:
I had to setup a dealer section on my forums with 3 - 6 and 12 month dealer subscriptions. The dealer gets their own shop/store section with the shop name in a section of the forums.
So for instance under the Wanted/for sale section they could have the Dealer Shops.
So for instance under the Wanted/for sale section they could have the Dealer Shops.
Personally, I never thought the "Wanted/For Sale" area was broken. Look how much it has grown over the years...it did that because of the successful way that it operated. There are always a few bugs in the soup, but nothing of any real importance...
Joe
Joe
I support the cuemakers 100%, but I do not see a problem with people flipping cues. I've flipped more than a few on here, and several of those ended up going back to the original cuemaker to be revived to their original condition before I would even consider selling them. There are a hell of a lot of old classic cues around today because someone saw potential in them and cared enough to revive them.
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I hang out at gun forums a bunch. Tons of stuff for sale. One site charges $5 per ad, no limit on content. The other is free. The free site takes a ton of moderation to keep it clean. I understand the concept.
I do however, enjoy seeing new custom cues. Offerings from Cornerstone, Superior, etc. are pretty cool. I would hate to see these guys not have a place to display their wares.
I sometimes fail to see the difference in a "professional" and someone who keeps a cue posted at an insane price that always manages to stay on the front page. Some similar antics on the gun boards.
Please figure out some options.
Ken
I do however, enjoy seeing new custom cues. Offerings from Cornerstone, Superior, etc. are pretty cool. I would hate to see these guys not have a place to display their wares.
I sometimes fail to see the difference in a "professional" and someone who keeps a cue posted at an insane price that always manages to stay on the front page. Some similar antics on the gun boards.
Please figure out some options.
Ken
Pre-owned, test hit, MINT, like new, only used by a little old league player on Sunday, took it in on trade, it looks new, and you can still throw in the typical monster player & cue hits a ton.
I don't think they care if it is a new cue privately owned.
The concern seems to be sellers that obtain their products from wholesalers or factories, act as dealers, selling new equipment as a business.
I still like the option for a section to post links to Ebay and other sites, just for Kevin's sake....
This is a tough call, but there has been a number of people that only come on AZ to sell stuff like it is their own personal store front.
Drawing the line on non-advertising dealers is business, and an attempt to fix a problem.
I agree........not on barring but the flippers need somewhere else, i will list only used items from now on..........
But many of the items for sale here...well below MSRP, are items that advertisers on AZB also offer for sale.
You can't fault them- or Mike- for wanting to protect the bottom line.
WHat if 10% of any item sold went to AZB? Is that better?
Just as long as guys are allowed to take a picture of any old thing they have lying around in the house, put "trade for pool equipment" on the thread and list it here, I'm happy.
I'd much rather look at some rejected household goods than see what Brent at BHQ has made or Martin at Superior has convinced Barrenbrugge to come up with.
Kevin
I'd much rather look at some rejected household goods than see what Brent at BHQ has made or Martin at Superior has convinced Barrenbrugge to come up with.
Kevin
I guess a cue builder who happens to have a cue in progress or nonpaid-for cue for sale is SOL !
I am all for buying advertizing on here but the price I was quoted for a small banner was rediculous in my opinion.
I wouldnt mind paying for a for sale ad for a new cue i am selling. That seems fair to me.
I am all for buying advertizing on here but the price I was quoted for a small banner was rediculous in my opinion.
I wouldnt mind paying for a for sale ad for a new cue i am selling. That seems fair to me.
Oh the possibilities!!
I know I'm a new member, but I've been a long time viewer. I think it's a great thing to put some restraints on what goes on in the Wanted/FS threads. I find it's kind of like Ebay (you all know you go there too!) I find myself sifting through all the BS to get to the used stuff that people are attempting to sell for good deals! I also know I'm not a registered user in this forum but I do know that SOOOO many of the constant daily sellers here are NOT also. The least they could do is put back into the AZ site by being a "registered" member. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to sell new stuff here for a business (if that's a chosen path for the Moderators) but there are ways to generate money by making them be "registered" and a way to minimize the constant "Bumps". Set a seperate section for the people that want to make a business out of selling here. Could be as simple as charging each "new thread" a small fee of maybe $.25 and then each time they choose to "bump" maybe something like $.05. AZ gets a little for people making a business and people will think twice about "bumping". Questions asked by other members outside of poster of the thread will not move the thread back to the top.
JMO
I know I'm a new member, but I've been a long time viewer. I think it's a great thing to put some restraints on what goes on in the Wanted/FS threads. I find it's kind of like Ebay (you all know you go there too!
) I find myself sifting through all the BS to get to the used stuff that people are attempting to sell for good deals! I also know I'm not a registered user in this forum but I do know that SOOOO many of the constant daily sellers here are NOT also. The least they could do is put back into the AZ site by being a "registered" member. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to sell new stuff here for a business (if that's a chosen path for the Moderators) but there are ways to generate money by making them be "registered" and a way to minimize the constant "Bumps". Set a seperate section for the people that want to make a business out of selling here. Could be as simple as charging each "new thread" a small fee of maybe $.25 and then each time they choose to "bump" maybe something like $.05. AZ gets a little for people making a business and people will think twice about "bumping". Questions asked by other members outside of poster of the thread will not move the thread back to the top.JMO
The new rules should exclude craftsman selling their own work.
Unless guys with names like Joe Fury, Elliot Predator, and Clarence McDermott start selling their cues.
Banning cue sales from cue makers
Wow, this is going to hurt the small botique cue makers like myself whose
only means of showing a cue for sale is on AZ. There is not enough profit
in a cue to pay for advertisements. I think the AZ owners are doing a dis-service to players who are looking for cues from small cuemakers.
Anybody want to buy a cue shop?
Wow, this is going to hurt the small botique cue makers like myself whose
only means of showing a cue for sale is on AZ. There is not enough profit
in a cue to pay for advertisements. I think the AZ owners are doing a dis-service to players who are looking for cues from small cuemakers.
Anybody want to buy a cue shop?