was that TONY ZINZOLAS hand in my pocket?

Hey

I am not an attorney, but I imagine with the amount of money taken, Tony might be looking at some jail time as long as theft can be proven. In my state taking that much money is a felony.



Well that certainly is the goal........this has to end badly for Zinzola.

Jail time is down the road, but in the near future his attorney fees are going to make him wish he worked this out. Me, Tommie and a few others are more than willing to spend whatever it takes at this point. It will feel like money well spent.




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Well that certainly is the goal........this has to end badly for Zinzola.

Jail time is down the road, but in the near future his attorney fees are going to make him wish he worked this out. Me, Tommie and a few others are more than willing to spend whatever it takes at this point. It will feel like money well spent.

Well maybe Tony will do the right thing, or he could careless, because he has nothing of value to loose?
 
Well that certainly is the goal........this has to end badly for Zinzola.

Jail time is down the road, but in the near future his attorney fees are going to make him wish he worked this out. Me, Tommie and a few others are more than willing to spend whatever it takes at this point. It will feel like money well spent.

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You don't need an attorney to build a criminal case or file a complaint with the DA. It's fine to have at the beginning to help you out, but once he shows you the ropes, helps with the documentation of the fraud, kick him to the curb...but even that should not take that long... it's not a complicated case...

Once it is in the hands of the DA's office, nothing else for him to do. Don't pay him $200 an hour to "check" on the case and other BS to keep the clock running.

If you need any advice,, PM me, I'm cheap (FREE)
 
Well maybe Tony will do the right thing, or he could careless, because he has nothing of value to loose?

FREEDOM.

If you add up the dollars, it could be substantial. Heck, if he gets 500 hours of community service would be cool. People think it is a walk in the park.

But could you imagine, right now, doing community service every Sat and Sun, 8 hours per day, for the next year ? I could not imagine giving up my weekends for a year !!!
 
FREEDOM.

If you add up the dollars, it could be substantial. Heck, if he gets 500 hours of community service would be cool. People think it is a walk in the park.

But could you imagine, right now, doing community service every Sat and Sun, 8 hours per day, for the next year ? I could not imagine giving up my weekends for a year !!!

I personally would like to see Tony take a loan on his home, pay the deposits, or money owed for undelivered paid in full Cue back.

Community Service is a punishment, but honestly if he owned me $20.00, I would rather have the money, like I am sure Tikkler and the other would.

Rather than wait for some judge to issue an order Tony may, or many not comply with. JMHO.
 
I personally would like to see Tony take a loan on his home, pay the deposits, or money owed for undelivered paid in full Cue back.

Community Service is a punishment, but honestly if he owned me $20.00, I would rather have the money, like I am sure Tikkler and the other would.

Rather than wait for some judge to issue an order Tony may, or many not comply with. JMHO.

Oh, they will order restitution too... but criminals needs some punishment handed out, and that is usually in the form of comm service.....if not serious enough to warrant jail time... and first time offense, not going to jail most likely.
 
Oh, they will order restitution too... but criminals needs some punishment handed out, and that is usually in the form of comm service.....if not serious enough to warrant jail time... and first time offense, not going to jail most likely.




Having spent some time around civil process, doing evictions, and seizing property many decades ago in LA, CA. Most of the time getting restitution is a tough nut to collect when you win restitution.

It is like the guy who goes to small claims court, get a judgment, never sees a penny out of a defendant who know how to hid their accents, or has everything they own protected by corporations, or a wife owning it. Nothing is in the defendant name.

Remember the pool player who took the promoter who ran the RENO NV Peppermill Tournament, did not pay the winners? Took the promoter to court, won a judgment in California. The defendant hid their assets, and I am not sure the judgment ever amounted to anything more than a feel good paper. Saying the plaintiff won a judgment for X DOLLARS.
 
Having spent some time around civil process, doing evictions, and seizing property many decades ago in LA, CA. Most of the time getting restitution is a tough nut to collect when you win restitution.

It is like the guy who goes to small claims court, get a judgment, never sees a penny out of a defendant who know how to hid their accents, or has everything they own protected by corporations, or a wife owning it. Nothing is in the defendant name.

Remember the pool player who took the promoter who ran the RENO NV Peppermill Tournament, did not pay the winners? Took the promoter to court, won a judgment in California. The defendant hid their assets, and I am not sure the judgment ever amounted to anything more than a feel good paper. Saying the plaintiff won a judgment for X DOLLARS.

This is NOT a civil process, it's criminal. The judge can tie the restitution to his sentence, and if he don't pay, he goes away.. his choice.... usually gets their attention.

Smart criminal attorneys usually get their clients to bring the restitution with them to court before sentencing.... it goes a long way with a judge....
 
This is NOT a civil process, it's criminal. The judge can tie the restitution to his sentence, and if he don't pay, he goes away.. his choice.... usually gets their attention.

Smart criminal attorneys usually get their clients to bring the restitution with them to court before sentencing.... it goes a long way with a judge....

Well I hope that this gets settled, and the parties owed money, Cues, etc. Last getting satisfaction.

Tony had the World at his feet, he made a nice Cue, and blew it all by screwing over some member of AZB. WHAT A JERK...JMHO:mad:
 
Funny thing, I posted a thread about my screwing from Tony a couple of years ago and I pretty much got bashed for it. By the way, I paid in full and still have no cue, no refund, Only the same lies everyone else has posted. I would really like to meet this guy!!!!

Chuck
 
Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..
 
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Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.
How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..

Really?
Seriously.......Really?
Maybe the "innocent" should be made aware of what kind of son in law they have? I'm not trying to be a Richard here but damn man........ Really? So if his wife was of American decent you'd be fine with these guys taking legal action? Legal action is there for every citizen to use when they feel threatened, afraid, or have just flat out been screwed. In this case Tony has been screwing people for quite some time. If these guys give alittle back......dry.......so be it. He's only getting what he deserves. I believe he's had ample time to try to keep from getting it in the azz. I for one, hope they give it to him........hard.
 
Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.
How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..

I agree with everything you posted and especially the innocence of his children. You also have to think of it from our shoes, the people he owes cues too. If we all just let this slide the total amount of money we lose is well in excess of 30k! Tony has told me my cue will be ready by mid week next week...I hope it is because that's all I want is my cue. However, the realist in me says I probably wont see it next week and I don't think any of us will ever get cues. I actually like Tony and I think he has phenomenal talent as a cuemaker and I really do wish he would pick up the pieces and just build goddamn cues. This is his last chance with me though and if I don't get my cue next week I am doing whatever I need to do to recover my money and I will be acting swiftly in doing so. So although I do feel for his family, I have to defend my own honor above all. Good compassionate post though Mr. Alton.
 
Funny thing, I posted a thread about my screwing from Tony a couple of years ago and I pretty much got bashed for it. By the way, I paid in full and still have no cue, no refund, Only the same lies everyone else has posted. I would really like to meet this guy!!!!

Chuck

Cornerstone cues sells Tony Zinzola cues. Maybe they have some extra contact info.
 
LOL this place gets weirder by the minute!

Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.
How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..
 
Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.
How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..

it is naive of you to think that his wife is oblivious to all of this...especially since tommie has already showed up at his house to confront him about the situation. she knows what's going on, there has been zero effort from his direction to resolve this situation so it is what it is now. he's been given chance after chance for over 2 years to fix these problems.

also, the people he ripped off have families too, if you would like to grieve for the innocent people in this case, why not grieve for us? we got ripped off AND now have to invest even more time and money into the situation in order to try to get what is ours.
 
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His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..

Rofl this is some moonbatshit right here.

-roger
 
Alton...

i admire your work a lot, and i never knew you were Japanese. from a Japanese point if view [one of my wives was Japanese] i can understand your thinking and i am sure it is with the best intention.

but we all live with each other in a world where treatment to another is paramount. i have been to Japan more times than i can count on my fingers and from my life's experiences, Japan as a country, as a people is one of great honor, and great respect is always offered to others. further, even when a Japanese person is disrespected they will not return that disrespect. to an American like me, i marvel at that ability.

i, like you and i am sure Tik and wawa and others, waited and hoped and wished that TZ would do the 'honorable' thing and 'honor "at least his family", if not himself. but with the passing of time, imho [unless he contacts everybody immediately] Tik and others are doing what 'should be done'.

TZ has crossed the line himself and has provided to his family money that was not his to provide. the shame and heartache his family will endure [as you well advised] imo can not be stopped now and it should not be.

as a man of Japanese origin i am sure you know "Akusai wa hyaku-nen no fusaku" and in reverse, 'a bad husband is the ruin of his wife'; or somewhat closely translated.

just for example let me say this; i have helped folks in trouble, and in times of my troubles, folks have helped me. there is an Irish song that said something to the effect: "we all live in the arms of others". just like here in AZB. we trust each other. and without that 'trust' were would we be, where would the world be?

Tik was very patient, as wawa and everybody [i am sri i don't remember everybody's name] was.

i believe from reading all the posts in this thread that most do not believe that there will be a fruitful resolution. i believe that Tik is handling this properly. and by dong that, it may in the future help limit other abuses we have suffered with 'deadbeat' AZB'ers.

maybe we should if possible contribute to a fund for this to help Tik pay for the fees involved. i will gladly.

i guess this also brings a feeling of shame to you Alton as a Japanese you think of
TZ's wife and his wife's parents and children. i can only say, sri but imho it has to be.

all the best,
smokey
Hi Steve,
I know it's none of my business.
I was very hesitant to post, and, I know I put myself at risk to be hated.
And, I don't mean you or anybody no harm or disrespect.
Just a thought I am frustrated with..

When you do take legal action, Tony's wife will find out.
I know you and the others have money involved, and, you guys deserve to get it back..

I can only see one way out for Tony.
His In -laws are real Japanese.
They will, like most real Japanese, offer to pay the money for Tony to "Bail Him out".
Because of the Shame that it will bring his Children and his wife, who, is, their loving daughter.
Japanese have so much honor, some even commit suicide for their disgrace.
They would do all to protect their loved ones.
Can you imagine, his in-laws are old, and probably don't have income..
They will give up their life's savings to help/protect their Daughter, indirectly, helping Tony "Swim out" at their expense..
I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.How tragic and infuriating this would be..
I have nothing to gain and have no business in his actions.
I just sit back and worry for his Wife, children and in-laws , as, " The ones who loves him the most, will be hurt the most....."


MY Heart grieves for the innocent...

Alton Takata - Cue Caps
I also posted this in the CUE GALLERY Post..
 
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I wanted to post this so all the forum can see how much more depth Tony has brought about, hurting many innocent people that had nothing to do with his actions.....

Nice post, Alton. Thank you for adding this unique perspective, I'm sure it's one that not many people know much about or have considered.

It's a shame that people would stoop to knocking your input and thoughts here on this. :(

TZ has obviously had every opportunity to live up to his word and I'm sorry to read it all has to come to this. Guess I feel blessed that I didn't get sucked into this trap, too. This TZ situation needs to be remedied triple quick. This kind of stuff has really gone on far too long in the shadows of this industry and is a black eye to some degree. It's nice to see some formal action is being taken. Best wishes to all recovering your $$$.
 
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