Watching mr. 400 trying to break the record

Cuebuddy said:
That was a great run. John is close and there is no one in the world right now that is better at straight pool. Be Proud John
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For a while I was afraid he wasn't going to break through at Bull Shooters but he seems to have found the key. I liked his patterns much more tonight than last two nights I watched in person.
 
Bob Jewett said:
For a while I was afraid he wasn't going to break through at Bull Shooters but he seems to have found the key. I liked his patterns much more tonight than last two nights I watched in person.
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I completely agree Bob, That's the difference between being in the zone and thinking too much. To me it seems that John has broken through the mental side. This is very inspiring.
 
gxman said:
Saw that miss. That sucks for JS.

That's probably the highest video recorded run?
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Yes. I think the 434 (with which there were some problems) was the previous recorded record. For that matter, some of the 300+ runs are probably better than anything posted before.
 
jay helfert said:
Who runs 300 balls every day? Answer - No one! Only a few players have run 300 balls in their lifetime!
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I'd like to point out that John didn't have a 300 run today.:D
He did have a 190 and a 168 and two other 100+ runs before the 450.
 
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It would not bother me if John later claims 464 for this run rather than 450. Here's why.

The run prior to this big one was just 1 ball. Oddly, John placed the OB for the break shot without as much angle as usual. He made the break shot. But he had no good shot after the break, and played some sort of pack shot. A ball went in, but apparently not what he called. So he pulled both balls (the break ball and the one from the pack shot) out of the ball box, spotted them, and started playing again. He ran out the rack (the full 14 balls) and moved his coin to the "1" spot.

After 2 balls in the next rack, he swept his hand along the table by the head rail to remove something, and knocked the coin over by the corner pocket. After making the 3rd ball of the rack, he moved the coin back, but he put it on the starting point rather than on the "1" diamond.

Now, it is possible that he put the coin back to the starting point because he didn't want to count the first rack, given that it started with an open table rather than a full-rack break shot. But he also started quite a few other runs without re-racking. And starting runs without a BIH break shot on a full rack is what happens in a game, and that's what happened in Mosconi's 526.

So not counting those first 14 balls may have been intentional, but it might also have been a scoring mistake resulting from putting the coin on the wrong diamond after he knocked it out of place.

450 or 464?
 
I started watching at around 300 and I was stressed out the entire time. Can't imagine what it was like for him. He got really jittery as he approached his record, but seemed to be finding his groove right before the miss.
 
AtLarge said:
It would not bother me if John later claims 464 for this run rather than 450. Here's why.

The run prior to this big one was just 1 ball. Oddly, John placed the OB for the break shot without as much angle as usual. He made the break shot. But he had no good shot after the break, and played some sort of pack shot. A ball went in, but apparently not what he called. So he pulled both balls (the break ball and the one from the pack shot) out of the ball box, spotted them, and started playing again. He ran out the rack (the full 14 balls) and moved his coin to the "1" spot.

After 2 balls in the next rack, he swept his hand along the table by the head rail to remove something, and knocked the coin over by the corner pocket. After making the 3rd ball of the rack, he moved the coin back, but he put it on the starting point rather than on the "1" diamond.

Now, it is possible that he put the coin back to the starting point because he didn't want to count the first rack, given that it started with an open table rather than a full-rack break shot. But he also started quite a few other runs without re-racking. And starting runs without a BIH break shot on a full rack is what happens in a game, and that's what happened in Mosconi's 526.

So not counting those first 14 balls may have been intentional, but it might also have been a scoring mistake resulting from putting the coin on the wrong diamond after he knocked it out of place.

450 or 464?
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Have you rewatched? It starts at 1:02, if I’m not mistaken. And he spots those balls


Edit: 55 minutes. It is the first rack, and the score should be at zero, but it read 1/14. After the rack, the score remains at 1/14 as it should. The. He gets through the next rack, and it still is at 1/14. Everyone go watch. He moves his coin to zero after the second rack break shot!!! I think they missed a rack.
 
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Is Engert the only one higher now in the modern era? I believe Hopkins, Strickland, and Thorston all had runs in the low 400’s.
 
AtLarge said:
It would not bother me if John later claims 464 for this run rather than 450. Here's why.

The run prior to this big one was just 1 ball. Oddly, John placed the OB for the break shot without as much angle as usual. He made the break shot. But he had no good shot after the break, and played some sort of pack shot. A ball went in, but apparently not what he called. So he pulled both balls (the break ball and the one from the pack shot) out of the ball box, spotted them, and started playing again. He ran out the rack (the full 14 balls) and moved his coin to the "1" spot.

After 2 balls in the next rack, he swept his hand along the table by the head rail to remove something, and knocked the coin over by the corner pocket. After making the 3rd ball of the rack, he moved the coin back, but he put it on the starting point rather than on the "1" diamond.

Now, it is possible that he put the coin back to the starting point because he didn't want to count the first rack, given that it started with an open table rather than a full-rack break shot. But he also started quite a few other runs without re-racking. And starting runs without a BIH break shot on a full rack is what happens in a game, and that's what happened in Mosconi's 526.

So not counting those first 14 balls may have been intentional, but it might also have been a scoring mistake resulting from putting the coin on the wrong diamond after he knocked it out of place.

450 or 464?
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Well the thing about yesterday's run -- and all of John's in Phoenix for that matter -- is that you can go back and re-watch. I did not see the start...
 
I’ve marked where he lost his mind and re-zero’d after the breaks shot in Rack 2.

It has to be 464!! I shot a note to John.
 
Drat. Thought he might pull it off yesterday. Wishing John good luck from here on.
 
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