When he lost to Szewczyk in the finals of the world 10 ball in 2022 he was making all kinds of posts about how he won because he got lucky.
Waxing the cue ball? WTF is Kaci talking about now?
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The amount of throw can also be affected. There is a local pool hall that seems to wax the balls after cleaning them. Frozen combinations throw about a third of normal. That means that stun shots also will not throw as much as expected and the tendency will be to over cut shots.
For home tables with 5-inch pockets and players who miss one in five or ten shots anyway, this is not an issue, and the balls are prettier when waxed. With tight pockets and players who might miss only two shots in a match, it is a problem.
Did you see any of the vids posted in post # 85? Never seen a cue ball do that off the rail with such little effort, but i'm just a rail bird... According to Jeffery Ignacio, since I don't play as well as he/them, my opinion is null on the matter... but the video is undeniable
Around 1977, I played a little trick on one of my regular practice partners, who was the house man at Star Billiards in Santa Rosa. He was also, so far as I know, the person who coined the term "squirt" (AKA cue ball deflection). I had recently discovered the joys of waxing and I slipped a prepared cue ball onto the table.
With the cue ball behind the line I asked him to shoot a stop shot on a ball near the far corner pocket. The cue ball drew straight back two diamonds. I said, "No, just stop the ball." Again, he drew the cue ball back two diamonds. He knew exactly how he had to hit the ball for a stop shot on that broken in but clean cloth and a normal cue ball. I then explained to him what was going on.
With the cue ball behind the line I asked him to shoot a stop shot on a ball near the far corner pocket. The cue ball drew straight back two diamonds. I said, "No, just stop the ball." Again, he drew the cue ball back two diamonds. He knew exactly how he had to hit the ball for a stop shot on that broken in but clean cloth and a normal cue ball. I then explained to him what was going on.
George the Greek
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I did a little test this morning with my shuffleboard silicone spray on a microfiber cloth and one ball. It was slippery as hell compared to the balls I hand cleaned with Aramith cleaner that were clean and shiny. Fast forward 7 hours the chemical smell was gone from the cloth but still retained silicone in it and after wiping another ball it was slippery as well. I'm going to try the shuffleboard wax to see if there's a difference.Perhaps a little silicone?? Tiny piece of sponge soaked in it, kept in a tiny container in your bag to apply to your pocket when playing one hole makes the balls fall easier, but I'd never do that.Sure would make the CB dance. Just saying.
dquarasr
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If there is a difference on cuts it’s lost on me at my skill level. I expected less throw but if there really was less it is very small.
I noticed maybe a little difference in rebound off cushions, might slide a bit more, reducing the rebound angle.
Badpenguin
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I have experienced the exact same effect on a brand new simonis 860 cloth.
he's not the best loser.
that constitutes proof in the eyes of an idiot. even if there were silicone or similar on the cue ball or the cloth or the rails, how does that form evidence against chua?? there are dozens of other explanations in that if condition. the ref's gloves transferred it (from an earlier match or similar). the ball cleaner used in hanoi was dodgy. the table had been contaminated from an earlier match. etc.
if this idiot has a video of chua applying silicone or wax, that would be proof. not chua shooting spectacular shots
Take Chua out of the equation... faceless nameless players making those shots and the cueball doing what it did... Do you think the cue was acting typical? Yes or no? Regardless of any other speculation, cue ball only question. Yes or no?
Careful w the wax. You'd be surprised.
Badpenguin
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You also need to take into account the recording itself, the frame rate, compression, etc... I've seen a lot of streams that appear to speed up and slow down and make things look wonky like that.
hmm, this one's interesting.
this games plagued with such a high ratio of crybabies and scumbags, no telling who is right.
will likely never know in this situation as you'd be hardpressed to catch someone even in real time.
doesn't seem farfetched to think that some people are cheating. especially considering the prize money here is upwards of 50x a yearly salary of many of these countries.
hell professional athletes get caught cheating all the time and they're guaranteed millions. and here we're talking POOL PLAYERS.
this games plagued with such a high ratio of crybabies and scumbags, no telling who is right.
will likely never know in this situation as you'd be hardpressed to catch someone even in real time.
doesn't seem farfetched to think that some people are cheating. especially considering the prize money here is upwards of 50x a yearly salary of many of these countries.
hell professional athletes get caught cheating all the time and they're guaranteed millions. and here we're talking POOL PLAYERS.
Grinderman
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I thought I saw the cb rolling funny at the end of it's energy a few times. I thought the tables could be rolling bad but figured it was just my eyes deceiving me. But now that I think about it, if the conditions were slicked up a bit, I could see the cb rolling unexpectedly at the end of it's roll.
Also, I wonder if black light could pick up foreign substances on the table.
Also, I wonder if black light could pick up foreign substances on the table.
i never play under those conditions myself - new 860 cloth, new balls, massive lights above the table - so i can't go by my own playing experience. i also don't have the stroke chua possesses. so then the question becomes whether i think chua can achieve that cb action with the amount of cue speed he seems to be hitting those particular shots with. which imo is difficult to assess. you also can't just hypothetically replace the guy with one of the best strokes in pool with faceless nameless players.
what i can say is that it does look suspiciously effortless relative to the action achieved. and if JJ, whose job it is to watch and analyze all these matches, says it looks anomalous, than that weighs heavier than whatever i think.
So we agree it's wonky. Thank you.
Yea, as far as the AI stuff and weird videos and all, I know what you mean, this however doesn't appear to be that at the moment, though. To me anyway.
To me, it looks like the cue ball is brand new on brand new cloth, honestly. I remember when I got my first brand new set on brand new cloth... was amazing.
Does look different than any other time in thos case though,
So who knows.
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sure, but the question phrased like that seems pointless. the answer is yes if you ask if that cb action can be achieved without wax. check out some of the big strokers like larry nevel, bustie, jeff de luna. so the question must surely be cb action relative to stroke/effort? and that question i answered..