What current Cuebuilders Cues will be

lenoxmjs said:
I would disagree on Ron Haley being a poor designer. I've loved just about every cue of his that I've seen. He has also broken his own ground with his paper veneers and spent the time to come up with his own very attractive double stich silver ring work. What's not to like?
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i said haley is not a good designer, i didn't say he was a poor one. he, like prewitt, is a very conservative designer. they are both limited in how they manipulate shapes/inlays on their cues to create design. what seperates them(i love them both) is their attention to minute detailing. their cues are immaculate. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE, but they could use a better sense of design.
 
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Bastian said:
My vote is for Samsara.. these cues have original design, incredible craftsmanship, limited numbers being produced, and are just amazing to play with. The pics of mine don't do justice, they are beautiful works of art.
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You think Samsara cues will be more sought after than Black Boar or Searing someday?
 
Hercek, Searing, James White . Look at everyone praising their construction. Prices on the secondary market now are hella expensive. It will only get better.
 
I think the cues that bring the highest prices now are the cues that will still bring the higest prices 100 years from now.
 
JoeyInCali said:
You think Samsara cues will be more sought after than Black Boar or Searing someday?
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No, but they get my vote.. I don't think the cues that bring the highest prices are necessarily the most sought after.. 'Sought after' in itself is misleading, as the cues that move the most seem to be the ones that are continuously seen moving, and moving again.. Samsaras seem to be consistently held onto, with very few showing up in the secondary market (in my minimal experience).

I think you have to discern between folks buying cues for investment purposes, and those who are looking for a truly unique and beautiful cue.. For my vote, that is Samsara. The only cues I've been as impressed with are like $8000 Ginas or the like.. definitely not something I could afford to have as a daily player.

But hey, it's so subjective, that everyone has a different list.. I'm definitely taken by Samsaras.
 
New designs,highest quality workmanship, a traceable link to the past greats,and shaftwood beyond what you could ever imagine will get the cash,now and in the future.
 
Bastian said:
No, but they get my vote.. I don't think the cues that bring the highest prices are necessarily the most sought after.. 'Sought after' in itself is misleading, as the cues that move the most seem to be the ones that are continuously seen moving, and moving again.. Samsaras seem to be consistently held onto, with very few showing up in the secondary market (in my minimal experience).

I think you have to discern between folks buying cues for investment purposes, and those who are looking for a truly unique and beautiful cue.. For my vote, that is Samsara. The only cues I've been as impressed with are like $8000 Ginas or the like.. definitely not something I could afford to have as a daily player.

But hey, it's so subjective, that everyone has a different list.. I'm definitely taken by Samsaras.
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http://billiardwarehouse.com/cueobsessions/samsara/samsara_custom_pool_cues.htm
I don't see Searing or BB ever that many.
 
instroke75 said:
no love for Mike Lambros cues? i put them in the same league!
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Well stroke, since you asked - no. Still wishing to get over into that upper tier along with Samsara and Kikel. He did make that one awesome ivory cue though, but one cue doesn't get you into the big boy's club, it's about the whole body of work! The other votes mentioned I can agree with.
 
You shouldn't compare Szamboti/Balabushka to any of the newer cues for the same reason one cannot say Tom Brady is better than Johnny Unitas. Different era's, different rules. Boti-Bushka are legendary, they transcended a legend before them, Rambow, and they kept going. Bushka had no contemporaries on the east coast other than Paradise. Joss was in the early stages, Bushka actually had Martin and Gina on the west coast. During Boti and Bushka best days if there were 12 other competent cuemakers that would be a lot. How many you have today? Competent cuemakers, 20-40. Others.. maybe 200-300. How good is the machinery today, servos', precision ball screws, etc.. etc.. etc.. Factor in the internet, word of mouth is much stronger today. IMHO I think todays cuemakers are really standing in a pinch because of the competition and need to stay up front with the newest gimmick. IE; coring, deflection, construction mumbo-jumbo. I have never seen so many people that have the end all to end all methods of construction, at least in their minds.

You'll never be able to predict who will be hot tomorrow. Or in 5-10 years. The trend is who is hot now, who got the best buzz going, who is pimping who, who has the best looking cue this week, who makes the fewest, the best playing, etc.. etc.. You want good advice? Buy what you like, if you can afford a consistent blue chip cue, buy it. Don't wait, it might not be there again. You want to take chances on cues, get a hold of Icon and see where that got him.

JV
 
Picking any product made today as a future collectable is a crap shoot...No, worse odds. At the same time I bought my Palmer model M, I bought my wife a plain jane Adams...the Palmer's value is now through the roof. The Adams? Probably close to the price I paid for it back in the 70's...Same deal with cars...'67 427 'Vette is $$$ today. A '68? Not so great...
 
none will be in the class of the old cue makers, that has been established long ago, some cues will be worth more over time but nothing will all of a sudden be worth more than a ivory box Szam for example, as the new cue makers values move up so will the szams, bushkas etc.
 
FarRockawayKid said:
Sough after like the Szamboti, and Balabushka Pool Cues of yesteryear.

Maybe 10, or 20 years from today?
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Tough question with tough answers. I think in 10 or 20 years, Szamboti and Balabushka will still be the top.

For any cuemaker to be that sought after today, they would have to be considered in the highest regard, would have to be difficult to get a cue, would have to only make a few cues a year, and... they'd have to pass away.

In the end, there'd still be no comparison to Szambotis and Balabushkas, IMO, insofar as the collectibility is concerned.

Fred
 
Seems like the early ones, the standard-setters, the ones in short supply, would continue to demand the most $$. They will be the MOST collectable. All the newer ones will just be very nice newer renditions of those.
 
Cornerman said:
Tough question with tough answers. I think in 10 or 20 years, Szamboti and Balabushka will still be the top.

Fred
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i agree. with Fred. play with either and you will see why they will awalys be on top, i have played with a sugartree its a helluf a cue but its not even close to a szam or bushka.
 
Fatboy said:
none will be in the class of the old cue makers, that has been established long ago, some cues will be worth more over time but nothing will all of a sudden be worth more than a ivory box Szam for example, as the new cue makers values move up so will the szams, bushkas etc.
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I completely agree. IMO, of the newer stuff that can even semi-compete to achieve that status....DPKs exotic higher-end stuff, non-production Ginas, and Barrys. Not sure anything else will be able to get there.
 
Sought after

FarRockawayKid said:
Sough after like the Szamboti, and Balabushka Pool Cues of yesteryear.

Maybe 10, or 20 years from today?
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I believe Gus will always be the King of all cuemakers, that being said who do I believe will be the Szamboti's of tomorrow 10to 20 years or more.....

Well the master cuemakers for our generation so to speak are
Dennis Searing, Barry Szamboti, and Joel Hercek, the execution,demand, the wait time to get one and the prices paid are a reflection on their futures....actually their futures are here now. These are the absolute premium cuemakers. These are must have cues.

The next in line are John Showman,James White,Tony Scianella, I mean talk about talent these three have it and I believe there workmanship will continue to reach new levels.

I can say without reservation Ernie Guiterrez is the greatest living cuemaker today that builds players cues to the most beautiful and executed high end cues in the world. The only thing that would affect the appreciative Szamboti sought after cues of the future is the large number of cues that Ernie has made. It may take I don't know how many years for the cues to become rare to semi-rare once Ernie retires.

Bob Manzino cues are currently prized by collectors and will be worth even more in the future. Next to Ernie, Bob's detail,execution, and design is the best in the world by far bar none.

In fact Gus and Ernie are the greatest cuemakers ever. That statement does not diminish the great talents of Frank Paradise,Jerry Franklin,Dave Kersenbrock,Eugene Balner,George Balabushka etc.

Tad Kohara cues will be sought after.

There are about maybe 15 to 20 living cuemakers that I like their workmanship and designs, the cuemakers I listed above are the cream of the crop.

I base my opinions and observations in the inspection of cues over the last 25 years or so and how the market place has responded to these cuemakers in the past and currently.
 
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