What do the Top Players in the World AIM at?

[lukemindish]

This thread needs to be stopped. Its rediculous how many people on this forum are only here to ridicule other people. They find themselves big and bad sitting behind thier computers. Its just really annoying to see this kind of stuff happen all the time. I wish one of the moderators would step in and shut this thread down.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

in typical AZ form you cant ask a Question without being slammed

What the hell kind of question is that supposed to be?

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

This thread needs to be stopped.

We're working on it - give us a minute. <- I kid!

Its rediculous how many people on this forum are only here to ridicule other people. They find themselves big and bad sitting behind thier computers. Its just really annoying to see this kind of stuff happen all the time. I wish one of the moderators would step in and shut this thread down.

LOL. You need to get out more. This is a good thread. So far it's even mostly about pool/billiards!

Wait 'til Hal Houle comes up...

pj
chgo

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Sean; Example: If I'm a 1.20 player in 3 Cush I certaintly wouldn't seek advice from let's say a .600 player. I wolud try to get the best info I could, like from Ceuleman's, Caudron, or Jaspers, whom are 1.75 and above. Don't get me wrong, you can learn some things from weaker players, mostly by the mistakes thay make routinely, not to do the same.

ALL I was trying to do, is get the most reliable info on this subject possible! I felt the most reliable and important info would come from the TOP players. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just feel the BEST players could offer the BEST answers to my questions. I didn't post this thread alert people of what I know, but what TOP pool players do about AIMING at the object ball!

IF I don't get the replys I was looking for, I won't get mad, but some posters here are trying to attack my credentials for even presuming to ask such questions, this is a public forum, not a platform for some to attack the very ideas someone has. (not meaning you Sean).

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

Bill,

You said a mouthful there. I am approxiamately a low "A" player, or a very strong B. However I *guarantee* that I can explain many pool fundamentals better than some "top" players. (I know this because I have listened at length to TOP players try to explain things...sometimes they can do the thing, but have no clue how they do it and even less clue how to describe it). Thus your assumption that a "lower" player has nothing to offer except showing what *not* to do is a little shortsighted, imho.

I have only read as far as your quoted post so far, but I didn't hear anyone attack your credentials. I would advise you to think about the following example: a *great* chef walks into another restaurant and orders a steak, but he brought the steak with him, and requests the exact way he wants it cooked. You *might* have come across that way with the way you brought your initial post to this public forum, which already has a way of doing things. To some extent, your post could be perceived as "mostly everyone has nothing to offer me so please keep quiet...but would the real players please speak up!" You have not offended me, and I hope I'm not offending you. I just think you might want to consider your approach to forum posting as well as aiming at the object ball.

Like you said this is a public forum. The purpose of a forum is to *exchange* words about topics we all enjoy. As I said, I didn't notice any attacks of anyone's ideas (in this thread at least ha ha). However, I do notice in *many* threads that some people perceive commentary and disagreement as attacking them. "Dialog" is a great word.

I am not in any way attacking you. It sounds like you are quite a 3C player! I'm just making some suggestions that can hopefully improve your average at getting the responses you are looking for smoothly and quickly.

Hope it helps,

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Lou; Honestly, you must really be mentally defective, what does THIS say?
In 3C the TOP players in the world all have a certain way they AIM at the first object ball, They ALL have a CERTAIN way not the SAME, if you're going to call me out at least have the facts straight!!!!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

Bill, this is a key distinction and you are right to point it out!

 

[mbvl]

This thread needs to be stopped. Its rediculous how many people on this forum are only here to ridicule other people. They find themselves big and bad sitting behind thier computers. Its just really annoying to see this kind of stuff happen all the time. I wish one of the moderators would step in and shut this thread down.

I agree. I think it's awful the way the OP has attempted to ridicule such eminent members as Patrick and Lou.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

To use your vocabulary again: duh.

Of course, everyone from tyro to pro has "a certain way they aim at the first object ball." What you said in your first post was, "In 3C the TOP players in the world all have a certain way they AIM at the first object ball..." I think a reasonable interpretation of that is that you're implying all the top players all use the same certain way.

Lou Figueroa

Lou,

I'm gonna have to back up Bill here. This is *not* a reasonable way to interpret it. It is exactly like saying "everyone has a certain route they take from their house to their job". We don't all live in the same house or work in the same job, so everyone's route will be different.

The meaning of the phrase "a certain ______" is specifically that each example is distinct and unique. It is *possible* that they are all the same, but this is *not* the implication.

No offense Lou, I like your posts!

KMRUNOUT

 

[mr3cushion]

It's a public forum, Bill - there's no such thing as a private thread. You have to pan for your nuggets like every other claim jumper here.

pj
chgo

Pj; I don't mind claim jumpers, as long as they have something of value to bring to the party, not just noise makers!:happydance:

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Where is Deno anyway? He kind of disappeared from the forums post-IPT...

But as I recall from those discussions, Deno was saying that 3C players aim for as precise a hit as pool players, BUT, unlike pool players, they could vary the hit they choose -- for the purposes of position play -- and make up the difference with speed, spin and rails.

Or something like that.

Lou Figueroa
never a short
billiard player around
when you need one

Ever watch the video available on youtube of Torbjorn Blomdhal playing Efren 9 ball? Blomdhal is a total robot, and runs out like a machine. Nothing wrong with the accuracy he hits the object ball. I think if this guy decided to take up 9 ball, he would do quite well!

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Pj;

Question; How much of the object ball has to be struck to create the CB's after-colision path of 30 degrees?

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

In PJ's point # 2, he said anywhere from a 20-50 degree cut. This equates to about 2/3 ball to a little less than 1/4 ball.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Hey Bill, Wow these guys are brutal. For everyone who doesnt know Bill was (and still can be) probably the best 3c player around for years and is probably doing research for another book which is why he wants the experts response, but in typical AZ form you cant ask a Question without being slammed. It would be nice if you could post without having to get all the BS. And anybody that thinks Bill cant play come on down to FT Pierce Fl and bring a bankroll!


Brad

Brad,

Playing 3C is a talent that one learns. No one has or is questioning Bill's talent there. Posting to a forum is also a talent. Getting your point across while simultaneously respecting the other posters' value and opinions is sometimes a challenging line to walk. How you choose to word your initial post has a great deal to do with the amount and quality of the BS you get.

Hope this helps.

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

This thread needs to be stopped. Its rediculous how many people on this forum are only here to ridicule other people. They find themselves big and bad sitting behind thier computers. Its just really annoying to see this kind of stuff happen all the time. I wish one of the moderators would step in and shut this thread down.

Interesting perspective. What posts specifically do you think were at fault?

 

[Jaden]

Don't bother getting into it with Patrick...

No offence Patrick, but, I didn't see your name on my respond list! Sorry I didn't know you were a TOP player in the Chicago area since I only lived there for 59 yrs, I don't recall your name.

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

"Even if you win you can't win...."

Jaden

 

[AtLarge]

Not that I am on your list but I will tell you how I aim. This is very difficult to explain. Lets say I am cutting a ball 45 degrees into the pockets. Standing behind the cue ball I visualize an imaginary straight line going around the object ball at the contact point, to the pockets. I do the same thing to the cue ball just on the opposite side. Then I match up those pieces and the ball goes in sometimes. I hope you guys get this. I think of it as an advanced ghost ball system but I can predict where cue ball is going with this better.

mr3cushion -- The above answer is from one of today's top players. Mainplayer is Mike Dechaine. If you've kept up to date with pool in recent years, you'll recognize that he is one of the best of the young American players. Here's his new web site: http://www.mikedechaine.com/Mike_Dechaine/MIKE_DECHAINE.html.

If I am reading his description properly, it sounds like he uses a "contact-point-to-contact-point" aiming method. Here is another description of such a method: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#contact. Mr. Dechaine may or may not consciously use all of the steps described on Dr. Dave's web site. If I am wrong about your method, Mike, please correct me.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Jaden:
Don't bother getting into it with Patrick...

Lead by example, Jaden.

"Even if you win you can't win...."

I can see how it might seem that way to you. Maybe if you didn't think of AzB as a contest...

pj
chgo

 

[KMRUNOUT]

I'm going to Snookers in Providence RI tonight. They have a super strong weekly tourney and Mike Dechaine is often there. If he is, I will ask him about this. I will say from watching him play over the years that he is a TREMENDOUS shotmaker, so the way he does it is surely a good way, at least for him.

KMRUNOUT

 

[mr3cushion]

mr3cushion -- The above answer is from one of today's top players. Mainplayer is Mike Dechaine. If you've kept up to date with pool in recent years, you'll recognize that he is one of the best of the young American players. Here's his new web site: http://www.mikedechaine.com/Mike_Dechaine/MIKE_DECHAINE.html.

If I am reading his description properly, it sounds like he uses a "contact-point-to-contact-point" aiming method. Here is another description of such a method: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#contact. Mr. Dechaine may or may not consciously use all of the steps described on Dr. Dave's web site. If I am wrong about your method, Mike, please correct me.

Not that I am on your list but I will tell you how I aim. This is very difficult to explain. Lets say I am cutting a ball 45 degrees into the pockets. Standing behind the cue ball I visualize an imaginary straight line going around the object ball at the contact point, to the pockets. I do the same thing to the cue ball just on the opposite side. Then I match up those pieces and the ball goes in sometimes. I hope you guys get this. I think of it as an advanced ghost ball system but I can predict where cue ball is going with this better.

Atlarge: Where in this person's post do you see the name of the poster, (in RED)! If I would of known or some other informed poster's here other than you mentioned it I surely would have replyed to him openly or by PM.
Certainly I know Mike is a top player, and I'll respond to him in my own way.
I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, thank you.

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Lead by example, Jaden.

I can see how it might seem that way to you. Maybe if you didn't think of AzB as a contest...

pj
chgo

Patrick,

I would LOVE to have a debate contest with you! Problem is...since you seem like a very rational person, I can't remember disagreeing with anything you have said. :wink:

Glad you're back--I always enjoy your posts!

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Not that I am on your list but I will tell you how I aim. This is very difficult to explain. Lets say I am cutting a ball 45 degrees into the pockets. Standing behind the cue ball I visualize an imaginary straight line going around the object ball at the contact point, to the pockets. I do the same thing to the cue ball just on the opposite side. Then I match up those pieces and the ball goes in sometimes. I hope you guys get this. I think of it as an advanced ghost ball system but I can predict where cue ball is going with this better.

Atlarge: Where in this person's post do you see the name of the poster, (in RED)! If I would of known or some other informed poster's here other than you mentioned it I surely would have replyed to him openly or by PM.
Certainly I know Mike is a top player, and I'll respond to him in my own way.
I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, thank you.

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

This almost sounds like a non top player has provided valuable input to this thread. Sounds like progress!

KMRUNOUT

 

[lfigueroa]

Of course, the monkeys didn't call it "Monkey Wars."

JAM <---smells another embellishment

Well, since you basically ended up calling all the regulars on RSB a Monkey of one kind or another, at one time or another, there were more of us then there was of youze.

So we get to call it whatever we want ;-)

Lou Figueroa