Situation -- Barbox 8ball
Race to 3 eight ball and the score is 2-2. I am Solids and its my shot.
What would you do?
Race to 3 eight ball and the score is 2-2. I am Solids and its my shot.
What would you do?
What do you do?
- Thread starter frankncali
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My newbie skills would only allow me to cut that 5 in the corner and position myself for the 3, hit it with draw, come back for the 4, long shot with inside follow, drop the 2 in the corner and kill the 8 to the side. PJ's might be better since the cut on the 5 would have to be pretty thin.
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make the 2 w/ pocket speed. make the 4 down the rail, stop for the 5. make the 5 in corner, roll down for 3. make 3, come up table for 8.
other option if you don't feel comfortable shooting the 2 and leaving yourself on the 4, you can use a stun/draw shot and leave the cue ball below the 5 and 15, down near the 3 for a safety
other option if you don't feel comfortable shooting the 2 and leaving yourself on the 4, you can use a stun/draw shot and leave the cue ball below the 5 and 15, down near the 3 for a safety
2 in corner with little draw to the rail. 4 same corner with little follow. 3 oppiste corner with little follow for 5 in side. 8 in corner. game-set-pay me. Johnnyt
I can tell you that where the 3 ball is, is a very good place for the cue ball - just a matter of how best to get there (or close to there on either side as long a you wind up in the shade of the 5 ball).
Thin off the 4, into the long rail, then aginst the 3.
Kick off the long rail softly up onto the 3.
Cut the 2 into the upper right corner with low left - draw 3 rails around, into the long rail under the 4, the down to the short rail for shape on the 3 into the bottom right (VERY aggressive).
Stun draw off the 2 straight down into the 3 looks like it would cross bank the 8.
If you can get near the 3, any kick on the 15 that doesn't make it figures to sell out, and a kick that makes the 9 probably has to include enough speed to get back under the 15 for the upper side.
Thin off the 4, into the long rail, then aginst the 3.
Kick off the long rail softly up onto the 3.
Cut the 2 into the upper right corner with low left - draw 3 rails around, into the long rail under the 4, the down to the short rail for shape on the 3 into the bottom right (VERY aggressive).
Stun draw off the 2 straight down into the 3 looks like it would cross bank the 8.
If you can get near the 3, any kick on the 15 that doesn't make it figures to sell out, and a kick that makes the 9 probably has to include enough speed to get back under the 15 for the upper side.
I'd love to be at a bar table in this situation and have to shoot the shot. Because it's a bar table, the shot is going to be easier to make, but there's no place to really hide.
I like this pattern:
http://CueTable.com/B/?@3BJPO2CIOg2...Vcxu4kQmD3kIJh3kayO4kIGh4kbAm2kYro2kRip4uBnH@
But I think that subtle bar table nastiness prevents you from getting a good look at final position. You either flirt with running into the two balls in the center of the table, or you play for wrong-side shape on the 4-ball. I don't think firing the 2-ball and playing for short-side position on the 3-ball is even worth trying because, IMO it's fraught with bar table peril. I think that's one of those cases where you could seduce yourself into trying for position on the 3-ball, only to fall right on top of it when the cueball dies of the third cushion.
But, I could change my mind on the table.
Edit: I tried it. Couldn't get the pattern. I tried a couple other things. Nothing worked. LOL!!!
Fred
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> I also like the 3-rail swing on the 2 ball. My other choice,if it's available,is the long cross-corner bank on the 2,and following the cue ball up in the neighborhood of the 5. If you make it,you SHOULD get out,if not,you still might park the cue ball behind something.
About all I get to play on are bar tables,and I'll take the shot on the 2 either as PJ describes or banking the 2,and get out more often then I'll miss and leave you a shot on the hanger,guaranteed. Tommy D.
About all I get to play on are bar tables,and I'll take the shot on the 2 either as PJ describes or banking the 2,and get out more often then I'll miss and leave you a shot on the hanger,guaranteed. Tommy D.
That is the shot I was thinking of, as well. Except I was thinking to go slightly to the right of the 3 ball.
I'm with this guy
Thanks for the thoughts...
It was BCA rules and I originally called the 2 in the far corner and was going to shoot it like Patrick's first option. I had to wait for the shot and while waiting I decided to play safe instead.
I figured that I could kick at the 3 and hit it leaving the cueball there. I had good faith in the odds of sticking the cueball where the three was.
I was however scared that my opponnet would be able to see the 15 and be forced to shoot at a shot for the win.
I kicked and left this situation below.... It hit the top of the three a bit and came across it. He then shot a very good shot on the 15 that I didnt think he could spin in. (he said he thought he missed it as it hit up the rail and then fell. Cueball kissed the 5 and then ran into the 8 leaving him a good shot.
In hindsight I think that taking my chance to win by cutting the 2 ball was the shot. I would have took the three rail shape route above just letting it go back and forth just do to confidence in making the ball and getting down table.
Oh well ,, next time I shoot it. I set it up afterwards and got out 2 out of three times.
It was BCA rules and I originally called the 2 in the far corner and was going to shoot it like Patrick's first option. I had to wait for the shot and while waiting I decided to play safe instead.
I figured that I could kick at the 3 and hit it leaving the cueball there. I had good faith in the odds of sticking the cueball where the three was.
I was however scared that my opponnet would be able to see the 15 and be forced to shoot at a shot for the win.
I kicked and left this situation below.... It hit the top of the three a bit and came across it. He then shot a very good shot on the 15 that I didnt think he could spin in. (he said he thought he missed it as it hit up the rail and then fell. Cueball kissed the 5 and then ran into the 8 leaving him a good shot.
In hindsight I think that taking my chance to win by cutting the 2 ball was the shot. I would have took the three rail shape route above just letting it go back and forth just do to confidence in making the ball and getting down table.
Oh well ,, next time I shoot it. I set it up afterwards and got out 2 out of three times.
Are you wondering what the hell I was thinking with this response? Well, it's very simple: I was thinking it was 10-ball!
Never mind the 15 ball on the table and no 10 ball...
But if it was 10 Ball I like my answer. LOL.
pj
chgo
ROFL
I was wondering but I thought maybe you were trying to come up with something really off the wall (leaving him jackedup on the 8) or that you didnt see the 9ball.
LOL Now I know
PJ......I don't mind admitting I was a bit scared to say what I thought due to your potentially acerbic wit :0
Thoughts like "how the jaysus could this guy have come up with so many technically sensible options on previous occasions if he is seriously putting forward this one as a safe?" crossed the mind.....went for a coffee and got involved in something else.
Funny as .... now though
Thoughts like "how the jaysus could this guy have come up with so many technically sensible options on previous occasions if he is seriously putting forward this one as a safe?" crossed the mind.....went for a coffee and got involved in something else.
Funny as .... now though
It's working as planned, Smithers. Excellent.
pj
chgo
Frank, you had another good option you never considered. You could shoot directly at the four, banking it toward the lower right corner pocket. You let the cue ball follow down table. It should come off the rail toward the three ball, but stop well short. Now you have all your balls in play and he has no good safety. He can try to cut the nine if he can see it. But he must turn the cue ball loose, with little chance of getting on the fifteen.
I don't know how to draw this shot, so maybe you can.
I could be wrong but the way I see this diagram, you don't have a clear shot on the 4.