In APA, the league system here in the US that has the most participants, it does indeed win the game.
I'm not certain, but I believe a couple other league systems here count it as a win as well, tho not all of them.
What english is best for the 8-ball second ball break?
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In APA, the league system here in the US that has the most participants, it does indeed win the game.
I'm not certain, but I believe a couple other league systems here count it as a win as well, tho not all of them.
I'm sure you would.
Um...ok? Nothing constructive to add? I mean...I asked a pretty clear question. How about an answer to that?
KMRUNOUT
When I was a sailor in Norfolk in the late 60's, I used a second ball break with high inside, breaking from about one diamond from the side rail.
If the big cue ball didn't fly off the table, it would double out of the corner and drive the eight towards the side or up towards the corner pocket.
Made it three times in a row one night, playing for a dollar a game. On the strip, just down from the gate to the DESRON piers.
My home for almost four years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Biddle_(CG-34)#/media/File:USSBiddleDLG34.jpg
If the big cue ball didn't fly off the table, it would double out of the corner and drive the eight towards the side or up towards the corner pocket.
Made it three times in a row one night, playing for a dollar a game. On the strip, just down from the gate to the DESRON piers.
My home for almost four years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Biddle_(CG-34)#/media/File:USSBiddleDLG34.jpg
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Cheers, same experience here. I was told and believe after demonstration that the key to the aim on the cue ball has to do with the deflection of your particular breaking cue.
The beginner takes the information here and tries what make the most sense, to him. And sees how it works, for him.
Because if there really were just one answer to it, it would have been overwhelming in the responses. Like most things in pool, there isn't just one way to skin that elusive feline...(and I'll grant you that even if there was one real answer I'm sure we would get multiple variations on that, as well
)There is value in this for the beginner, it teaches you to figure out what works for you specifically, and gives examples of how it has worked for others. Far better than just figuring it out on your own without the examples.
The beginner takes the information here and tries what make the most sense, to him. And sees how it works, for him.
Because if there really were just one answer to it, it would have been overwhelming in the responses. Like most things in pool, there isn't just one way to skin that elusive feline...(and I'll grant you that even if there was one real answer I'm sure we would get multiple variations on that, as well
There is value in this for the beginner, it teaches you to figure out what works for you specifically, and gives examples of how it has worked for others. Far better than just figuring it out on your own without the examples.
I was just thinking yesterday about what you said here and agree wholeheartedly.
Someone posted other threads about this subject and I've read a few of those. It seems like each time a new thread appears, the answers come in a better form, more precise, etc. and that's a good thing for newbies, for sure, so they don't have to wade through too much info to get started on their journeys to better breaking.
With that said, I'm assuming most here use their playing cue when side breaking with english? On with the show...
Jeff Livingston
Bar table with the big cue ball I played off the wall.
Fifty years ago I didn't know what deflection was, but I knew something weird was going on and started accounting for it.
My playing cue was behind the counter at St. Elmo's. Weekends I'd ride the bus downtown to Granby street and keep the regulars in chips. I was a producer. (You lose, you produce the cash.)
Fifty years ago I didn't know what deflection was, but I knew something weird was going on and started accounting for it.
My playing cue was behind the counter at St. Elmo's. Weekends I'd ride the bus downtown to Granby street and keep the regulars in chips. I was a producer. (You lose, you produce the cash.)
No, I use my frankenbreaker. Predator 5k8 butt with Beula 2 shaft, Kamui red wrapper chalk. 1 tip of draw, 1 tip outside english for this cue.
Why?
Isn't it basically just a regular type shot, deserving of the best control possible, not the hardest hit?
That's a whole lotta cue you got dar! :wink:
Jeff Livingston
I also use my break cue, not trying to really put any masse type curve on the shot, I just try to use the spin for a slight movement into the rack. I don't crush it (on this break or any other) but I do hit it firmer than a regular shot.
(As a matter of fact, if I hit this break too hard I don't get the same action out of the rack as I do when I hit it the right speed.)
Its still a crap shoot for me, I simply tend to get slightly better results when doing it this way.
Truth be told, simply because this is the cue that I know the deflection of. My player is a Predator SE by Longoni, I can't bring myself to break with it, yet. On my player I like a Kamui hard black, no clear.
Not to bump an old thread but I tested this out with outside center or perhaps just a bit below outside center ball last night for 10 breaks. I made a ball about 7 times and was very impressed on the spreads I was getting. There were some clusters on occasion but enough gaps that I could do work or play safe if need be if I had to. I think this type of break might sell out a bit more, especially if you make a ball and don't run out, but overall I was happy with how the breaks were spreading for the most part.
I put a little too much power a couple of times causing the cue ball to go a bit more wild (which probably means I gripped the cue a bit too hard and might not have hit the correct spot I was aiming), so I don't think you need to totally crush this break for it to work.
I remember I used to do this break with inside and I scratched a lot more vs using outside.
Just my feedback on it from last night on my table...
I put a little too much power a couple of times causing the cue ball to go a bit more wild (which probably means I gripped the cue a bit too hard and might not have hit the correct spot I was aiming), so I don't think you need to totally crush this break for it to work.
I remember I used to do this break with inside and I scratched a lot more vs using outside.
Just my feedback on it from last night on my table...
Personally I don't like the 2nd ball break, but it may be for you if you either can't generate the power necessary for a good head ball break or if you are playing 8OTB is a win and don't care about clusters.
However, that wasn't the question the OP had. To answer the question I would think logically you'd definitely want to use low and possibly just a hair of outside to try to get the CB back towards the center of the table after contacting the stack and the side rail. Making solid contact with the 2nd ball at break speed is a tough enough proposition on it's own so I'd probably lean more towards no english and just low on the CB to start.
However, that wasn't the question the OP had. To answer the question I would think logically you'd definitely want to use low and possibly just a hair of outside to try to get the CB back towards the center of the table after contacting the stack and the side rail. Making solid contact with the 2nd ball at break speed is a tough enough proposition on it's own so I'd probably lean more towards no english and just low on the CB to start.