What happened on Schmidt's 10 ball miss?

Why'd he miss the 10?

  • The cueball curved too much.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • The cueball deflected too much.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • The object ball threw too much.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • The object ball threw too little.

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • He aimed incorrectly.

    Votes: 18 75.0%

  • Total voters
    24
Predator Blues

Submitted by Joe D'Aguanno (jldnno)


So a few months ago after reading all the hype about radial consistency and 29% less deflection you sold your old favorite cue that you've used for a long time and bought a new Predator. At first everything was great but ever so slowly you game has gone downhill. You've lost that confidence that you once had in your hard earned abilities and sometimes you're frustrated enough that you even think about giving up the game. You still make most of the shots that you used to but not the more difficult shots or the ones that require finesse especially when using english. Worse yet you have to struggle to beat players that used to be no problem.

The good news is that you can get your game back and bring it to new heights if you understand the differences between your old stick and your new Predator.

First let us review some principals on deflection. Anytime the cue ball is struck to the left or right of its vertical center both the cue ball and cue stick veer away from each other away from the original point of aim. That is to say if you strike the cue ball to the right of center the tip end of the cue stick will veer to the right after contact and the cue ball will veer to the left. This of course will cause the cue ball to impact the object ball to the left of the point of aim requiring you to adjust you aim to the right. The harder you shoot the greater the deflection of both the stick and cue ball requiring you to aim further in the direction of the engish that you are using. If you shoot hard enough you will have to aim well outside the object ball into thin air to make up for the deflection. To make matters worse when shooting soft or very soft the deflection is neglible on both the stick and the cue ball and you will need to compensate heavily for object ball throw. This requires you to compensate in the opposite direction than you would for deflection. If you are using right english and are shooting softly it will throw the object ball to the left and you will need to adjust your aim to the left.

At this point you should begin to see a pattern. When shooting softly with english compensate your point of aim on the object ball in the opposite direction of the applied english. As your speed increases to just above soft don't compensate at all (as deflection and throw cancel each other out) and as your stroke speed increases beyond that adjust your aim in the same direction of applied english.

Now that you understand how deflection works you can begin to make the right adjustments when using your Predator. Since the Predator deflects less you simply compensate less than with you did with your old stick when your cue ball speed is above a soft speed. If you have to compensate 1/2" to right of the object ball contact point with your old stick you would aim something close to 1/4" with the Predator. The Predator puts more spin on the cue ball when using english as the tip stays on the cue ball longer because of less deflection even when the deflection is neglible. Because of this when shooting at a soft or very soft speed you would compensate your aim more in the same direction that you did with your old stick as it will throw the object ball more. One last point is that the stroke speed where the throw and deflection cancel each other out is going to be a little higher with the Predator.

These same principals apply to any changes in your stick selection. There is a wide variety in stick deflection between the various makes and types of cues. You may use a stick that is much closer to the Predator in the amount of deflection that it has. In this case the compensation for the point of aim would be much smaller but would still apply. It should also be obvious that any change you make to your cue whether switching to a new cue, new shaft, vibration damper, new bolt or other changes will affect the amount of deflection that your brain has learned to compensate for. Understanding how these principles work will allow you to adjust to the changes you have made. My advice is that if you find a cue that you shoot well with don't ever change it. The longer you shoot with the same cue the more your brain will adjust to it and make changes down the road more difficult to adjust to. In a stressful moment your brain will revert to the muscle memory for the old stick and cause you to blow your shot.



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an article I found that might be of some intrest


SPINDOKTOR
 
JCIN said:
John, I appreciate you not wanting people in conflict over something to do with you. It is just one more example of the class you carry yourself with. Frankly this about more than you though.

The stigma that kills this game is the "dump factor", or more simply integrity. When someone starts shouting "dump" no matter how unfounded it hurts everyone. Especially if it goes unchallenged. I have everything riding on this Action Report deal. It is my livelyhood. I will not stand by and let some fool tear down what Chad, myself and many others worked our asses off to accomplish.


Doesnt that include showing your azz in public? I really didnt mean to insult John, you however, now you insulted me, you said you wouldnt reply to any more PM's.. so in public, here ya go. I'll play you , straight pool 25$ a ball. race to 150, best two out of three. sound ok? and remember I get 5-1 on my money, your words.

if you will accept this I WILL BE THERE.

sorry az he wont reply to any more pm's so I had to make this public,


SPINDOKTOR
 
I apologize to everyone for losing my cool. I take my reputation and those of the players we work with very seriously. Sometimes I get worked up a little too much. When someone spouts nonsense I can get carried away.

I am going back to work on the John and Danny DVD's. I will post the first disk intro later on for everyone to check out. It has interviews with John and Danny before the straight pool session.
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
Doesnt that include showing your azz in public? I really didnt mean to insult John, you however, now you insulted me, you said you wouldnt reply to any more PM's.. so in public, here ya go. I'll play you , straight pool 25$ a ball. race to 150, best two out of three. sound ok? and remember I get 5-1 on my money, your words.

if you will accept this I WILL BE THERE.

sorry az he wont reply to any more pm's so I had to make this public,


SPINDOKTOR


I might not be the smartest guy in the room , but I am pretty sure he offered the 5-1 on a match up with JS....

ell you what hero. I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong. If John is such a folder under pressure or a dump artist then you can play him at the Derby for whatever you want to bet. You got 5 to 1 on the money. We will stream it live for free so the whole world can see. Stop talking sh!t get in the ring. See how it feels to have everything on the line in front of everyone. But you will never do that. Because you are a nit who can do nothing but talk sh!t about things you have no clue about. You owe John an apology.

If thats the case...I'll take JS's side of it all day....
 
JCIN said:
I apologize to everyone for losing my cool. I take my reputation and those of the players we work with very seriously. Sometimes I get worked up a little too much. When someone spouts nonsense I can get carried away.

I am going back to work on the John and Danny DVD's. I will post the first disk intro later on for everyone to check out. It has interviews with John and Danny before the straight pool session.

Justin,

I just want to say that if I had to make a list of 10 people that I feel our forum could not do without, you would be one of them. Besides all that you've done for our great sport thru T.A.R., your posts are always from the heart and we know that your heart beats pool like most of ours do also.
I sometimes get worked up and automatically wish the person I'm jacked over lived closer so I could meet up with them in person. I actually used to love violence as much as I love pool. But, a minute or so later, I think about all that I'm going to lose. My family trusts me not to hurt anybody anymore, so I try awefully hard to be exceptionally nice to people so I can stay far away from that edge. The one practical thing I can share when you get so pi$$ed off that you want to spead some pain is to just log out and go kiss your wife (or girlfriend) or your kids and do something else. After a few minutes ( after years of practice, of course!) you're almost all calmed down. Only then do I log back on and carefully word a reply. Nowadays, my faith has helped tremendously curb my temper.
Bottom line is you have a lot of people here who consider you a brother. And I'm one of them.
As for SPINDOKTOR, I can see why his feelings are offended. I'm pretty certain that he used the term "dump" in as innocent way as that particularly offensive word can be uttered here. Maybe he does't know that term can be as offensive as an ethnic slur.
I for one would love it if we could all get along. That's not really impossible if we could tame our egos. We're all supposed to be brothers here. If we have to squabble, lets squabble with good natured woofing and trying to be funny. A good rule of thumb is never to say anything we wouldn't want said of us.
 
good guy

I have met john in atlanta and he is a stand up guy.He had just got the shaft and was starting to learn it.I have a predator and know what the learning curve is and also know what spin doctor was describing in the second to last post.I know john didn't dump and I can probably say what happened.Trans fering for stroking the ball to just making a shot I would under compensate a shot also.I have the hardest time just cutting a ball with my predator I usually under do the cut ,but I can use any english and make the ball.Chances are that john being a pro with so many shots under his belt underestimated the shot as routine and it bit him.If your ever in atlanta again john I would love to play you for practice,I felt kinda funny asking the last time .Also the two guys you were talking to along with the one black guy [willie] have been watching we and wanting to play me so I decided not to play.I have since taken their money and so I will not be hiding under the radar any more.
 
Js

John is a class act and showed he was human. I must say the the action all around was an epiphany for me. We get to see pool they way it should be seen. Not all dolled up for TV. Kudos to the Action report guys and Kudos to the competitors!!!!!!!
 
I threw this post up in a hurry and didn't even put all the reasonable options up, then got busy and just now got a chance to see the replies. I dogged it because I was in a hurry. It shoud've included "the cueball curved too little", and maybe "he just dogged it".

unknownpro
 
As for SPINDOKTOR, I can see why his feelings are offended. I'm pretty certain that he used the term "dump" in as innocent way as that particularly offensive word can be uttered here. Maybe he does't know that term can be as offensive as an ethnic slur.
I for one would love it if we could all get along. That's not really impossible if we could tame our egos. We're all supposed to be brothers here. If we have to squabble, lets squabble with good natured woofing and trying to be funny. A good rule of thumb is never to say anything we wouldn't want said of us.[/QUOTE]


Yes I said the D word, and no I had no idea, someone would get upset...

Does that mean I should tuck my tail and run? If Im wrong I will admitt it, openly.. Other than to John, Im not going to applologize..

Should Have I recieved a Warning? I dont think so, Mr Wilson is pissed because the thread he refused to delete was deleted by the other moderator.. :D



Ofcourse someone is going to bash me, and frankly in case you havent noticed I could care less.



I have met (sort of) some great people here, some I cant stand, and some I might have helped, maybe just a lil bit.. that makes my stay here worthwhile, but as you can tell, just like the dude when you take all his money, they get upset, the truth is hard to handle at times.. understandable and someone has to take the Flack.. Im not going to be your barbie, so Im moving on, not becuase of a challenge but more because a lack of it.


Insult my intelligence, but try to take my money... Call me whetever you see fit, but look over your shoulder, I might just be there, and if I am, it is on...


Later Peeps its been grand






SPINDOKTOR
 
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smokeandapancak said:
I might not be the smartest guy in the room , but I am pretty sure he offered the 5-1 on a match up with JS....

ell you what hero. I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong. If John is such a folder under pressure or a dump artist then you can play him at the Derby for whatever you want to bet. You got 5 to 1 on the money. We will stream it live for free so the whole world can see. Stop talking sh!t get in the ring. See how it feels to have everything on the line in front of everyone. But you will never do that. Because you are a nit who can do nothing but talk sh!t about things you have no clue about. You owe John an apology.

If thats the case...I'll take JS's side of it all day....


Yes but you know I figured at least it was worth a try... useualy there is a negotiaton right? No I wouldnt have held him to the 5-1.. for John yes, Id need it, no doubt, he is a great player, I would never say otherwise, I just though a swift kick in the buttox would wake him up... all players need this from time to time.. its good to maintain that winning attitude..

Obviously some people cant see this nor did I have the oportunity to explain.. until now.. unfortunately the shear sarcasim and insults.. have indeed made this place seem very weak in my to do list.

Even the Moderaters hold a grudge, that speak's loud and clear doesnt it?

I have as much right to express my ideas as anyone, yet, I get a warning for doing what I do best.. and look my bags are not packed I have no match...lol


SPINDOKTOR
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
As for SPINDOKTOR, I can see why his feelings are offended. I'm pretty certain that he used the term "dump" in as innocent way as that particularly offensive word can be uttered here. Maybe he does't know that term can be as offensive as an ethnic slur.
I for one would love it if we could all get along. That's not really impossible if we could tame our egos. We're all supposed to be brothers here. If we have to squabble, lets squabble with good natured woofing and trying to be funny. A good rule of thumb is never to say anything we wouldn't want said of us.


Yes I said the D word, and no I had no idea, someone would get upset...

Does that mean I should tuck my tail and run? If Im wrong I will admitt it, openly.. Other than to John, Im not going to applologize..

Should Have I recieved a Warning? I dont think so, Mr Wilson is pissed because the thread he refused to delete was deleted by the other moderator.. :D



Ofcourse someone is going to bash me, and frankly in case you havent noticed I could care less.



I have met (sort of) some great people here, some I cant stand, and some I might have helped, maybe just a lil bit.. that makes my stay here worthwhile, but as you can tell, just like the dude when you take all his money, they get upset, the truth is hard to handle at times.. understandable and someone has to take the Flack.. Im not going to be your barbie, so Im moving on, not becuase of a challenge but more because a lack of it.


Insult my intelligence, but try to take my money... Call me whetever you see fit, but look over your shoulder, I might just be there, and if I am, it is on...


Later Peeps its been grand






SPINDOKTOR[/QUOTE]


And threats to top it off.......too cute, also underscores my reasoning.
 
you guys do realize that he is human right??? he may not play like it 99% of the time, but he is.

i would love to sit and analyze anyones game that has attempted to slam John's, im sure everyone here dog's it WAY more than he does.

i will admit that i do... if i didnt i wouldnt be sitting here at work right now.
 
More insults?

Its on, I was refering to the Box, not a fight.. If you feel threatened by that so be it..


apparently it doesnt take much to be a moderator now does it? Or are you the "speacial exception"

Normaly a thread like this would be locked wouldnt it?, but since Mr. Wilson obviously holds a grudge he is going to continue to let it get ugly.. Tsk,tsk

SPINDOKTOR


And threats to top it off.......too cute, also underscores my reasoning.[/QUOTE]
 
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Spindoktor, strike two.

I advise you, I am not playing here.

Next will see you off the board for a while.
 
Boundaries are a good thing

SPINDOKTOR said:
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apparently it doesnt take much to be a moderator now does it? Or are you the "speacial exception"

SPINDOKTOR

Personally, I think Dave Wilson does an outstanding job here. People are allowed to voice their opinions and express their views. The only thing not tolerated is all the negative stuff that could ruin a forum. And that garbage should be regulated.
Everywhere has rules. This is a better place WITH the rules, not without them.
I'm thankful we have moderators that do the great job that they do. And I'm certain that many of the long time members here agree 100%.
 
Actionhound said:
you guys do realize that he is human right??? he may not play like it 99% of the time, but he is.

i would love to sit and analyze anyones game that has attempted to slam John's, im sure everyone here dog's it WAY more than he does.

i will admit that i do... if i didnt i wouldnt be sitting here at work right now.
I thought I had another post on here, not sure if it got deleted or something. But my point for this thread was to illustrate what happens when you hit a ball really well but the aim of your tip is just completely wrong. Players get used to their cueball curving. When you hit a ball like John did, it doesn't curve. If your aim is not wide enough you will miss it every time that you are really determined to make it because you make sure to stroke it well enough to keep it from curving. And even with a low deflection shaft you still must aim just as wide on a ball stroked with a lot of english like this, because you will deflect the ball just as much as with a regular shaft. The advantage of a low deflection shaft would be more on shots that you try to use little or no english.

It's easier to tell yourself sometimes that you dogged a ball than to recognize that you really didn't know where to aim, aimed to the wrong place and you didn't dog it. Because then you need to retrain yourself instead of just saying I won't do it next time.

For anyone that thinks it is highly improbable that John Schmidt could run 400balls and win the U.S. Open without knowing where he's supposed to be aiming on that shot, you make a good point. But I refer you to Buddy Hall, possibly the greatest 9-ball player ever, who did not realize until the advent of tapped racks that the wing ball was dead in the corner on the break if the balls were frozen. EVERYONE thought it was a bad rack that caused it because a good rack was seen so little.

unknownpro
 
Why did he try to spin the ball in, in the first place? Shoot center ball and pocket the ball.
 
flips said:
Why did he try to spin the ball in, in the first place? Shoot center ball and pocket the ball.
Because the ball will skid much more easily with center ball, mainly. But he's also shooting off the rail where you'd have to shoot high center. Staying level with high center from there is tough to bridge and risks a miscue. Any jacking up makes the shot with outside easier and straight top harder, because you're likely to curve the ball if you don't hit it perfectly.

You don't really have to spin it in, you just need enough spin to be sure it won't skid. But that ball won't really throw that much when it's hit hard enough for consistency, which is what he did. If he hit it a little easier it would throw more and appear to throw a lot more because the cueball would curve and give it a little more cut and add some throw because it had slowed down some.

unknownpro
 
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