What happened to pool?

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I understand this is a broad question.

But really, what the heck happened? I am 27 years old and I can't seem to get enough of the game, I mean, I love the game... period.

I can not tell you how many videos I've watched of tournaments back before I was born and in my infant years that were happening and there was not a damn seat left in the room, even standing room was scarce in most of these live events.

I talked with an older friend of mine who has been in the bar business for many years. He said it used to be you could run into a snooker table or 9 foot table in the mid-west in almost every single town town you drove through, even the BFE towns with population 19 had a snooker table in there towns dining hall.

What the HELL happened?!?
 
cell phones, video games, internet, and higher cost of living
 
Rent.

You have to pay the rent and coin-op bar tables make more revenue than 9ft tables that require actual skill to use correctly. I've seen nice tables in establishments that were never used. The owners put a small bar table in and the action increased ten fold.

Gotta pay the bills.
 
IMHO, poker was the most recent cause of death for pool. There have been other causes over the past 25 or so years but in the last 5-10, poker it is.

The reason is simple. In poker, big money prizes are being offered, plenty of promotion/excitement behind it, and a person can become fairly proficient in a relatively short period of time when compared to pool.

A few months working on your poker game and you might be getting pretty good. A few months playing pool and your lucky to be an APA 4. Typically, it takes years to get very good in our sport.

The same testosterone-headed demographic who would be playing pool has been stolen away by better and easier opportunities in card games. :(

Best,
Brian kc
 
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...coin-op bar tables make more revenue than 9ft tables that require actual skill to use correctly ... owners put a small bar table in and the action increased ten fold.

And there you are touching on the general problem for public billiard halls. I can spend far more at $1.25/game than I can at $10.00/hr but the public's impression is that paying per game is cheaper. It might well be for a hack, but not for a player.

Pool hall owners need to learn from one another about what works, and cramming a bunch of baby tables together with a beer tap doesn't work forever, and it doesn't garner the attention of regular players with any real money.

If you want to succeed look at what the big boys do: full kitchens, clean amenities, good equipment, safe environment. If you want to run something out of "Roadhouse" expect the same type of customers and small-time success.
 
What happened?

You name it, the pool industry did it wrong. Bad promotions, bad branding, bad intentions. Hard to lure in big promotions when the players are cutting up the winnings before they ever hit the table.
 
What happened to pool

I understand this is a broad question.

But really, what the heck happened? I am 27 years old and I can't seem to get enough of the game, I mean, I love the game... period.

I can not tell you how many videos I've watched of tournaments back before I was born and in my infant years that were happening and there was not a damn seat left in the room, even standing room was scarce in most of these live events.

I talked with an older friend of mine who has been in the bar business for many years. He said it used to be you could run into a snooker table or 9 foot table in the mid-west in almost every single town town you drove through, even the BFE towns with population 19 had a snooker table in there towns dining hall.

What the HELL happened?!?

Pool like any other sport must be developed with the kids,unfortunately this isn't being done with pool .If you want future players ,start them out when they are young. Most important, make it affordable. Empty tables earn NOTHING .
 
And there you are touching on the general problem for public billiard halls. I can spend far more at $1.25/game than I can at $10.00/hr but the public's impression is that paying per game is cheaper. It might well be for a hack, but not for a player.

Pool hall owners need to learn from one another about what works, and cramming a bunch of baby tables together with a beer tap doesn't work forever, and it doesn't garner the attention of regular players with any real money.

If you want to succeed look at what the big boys do: full kitchens, clean amenities, good equipment, safe environment. If you want to run something out of "Roadhouse" expect the same type of customers and small-time success.

Alot to this I think, hell, where I practice at (6 9ft tight pocket Diamond Pro-Ams), the rate is $3/hour per person, but you are just as likely to see the 3 7 ft barboxes in the back busy as you are to see 3 of the Diamonds busy. Oh, and they have a really nice Brunswick Snooker table,,,,,,,,in storage. It's a really clean room, but no hot food,,,,,,,,,that doesn't help either.
 
I posted this in another Thread about a year ago.

I don't think pool halls closing is a recent event. This is trend that has been in place for more than 50 year! Who knows maybe 100 years. Well, probable not 100 years because 100 years ago results of top level billiard events were reported in the newspaper (ESPN of the day).

We have had some slight up ticks: 1) 1960's with the release of Hustler; and 2) mid to late 1980's with the release of Color of Money. However, the trend is unfavorable. It would be interesting to see how many pool rooms were in operation at the time of WWI and so on.

I believe it's short sighted to think this is a result of recent economic events or a smoking ban, because the trend was in place long before these occurred.

I suspect there is a lot of things causing this trend. Hell, our own professionals can't even organize. But, I think the main reason is because of the image of our sport (mainstream America does not consider this a sport). I know a lot of people like the bad boy and hustler image of pool, but I think its killer our sport. Another major problem is most people (manufactures, top players, ect..) are in it for themselves only. Most successful endeavors require leadership, commitment, devotion, and dedication; however, our sport lack most or all of these important ingredients.

I challenge anyone who reads this comment to answer these questions:

How many people did you encourage to join this sport last night, last week, or this last year?

When you noticed that young or less experienced player at the pool room or bar, did you:

1) encourage them, teach them something to help their game? or
2) try to figure out how much you could make and what kind of move it would take?

Now don't get me wrong, I like action just like a lot of pool players. Robbing some less experienced player maybe good for your bank roll today, but its not necessarily good for our sport in the long run.

For those action junkies, let me put it another way: you have to cultivate and fertilize before you harvest.

Steven
 
ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!!!!......pool is pool, dosn't change, video games change , something new to apeal to the young generation.........sad, sad.......electronics killed pool.


cell phones, video games, internet, and higher cost of living
 
IMHO, poker was the most recent cause of death for pool. There have been other causes over the past 25 or so years but in the last 5-10, poker it is.

The reason is simple. Big money prizes are being offered, plenty of promotion/excitement behind it, and a person can become fairly proficient at it in a relatively short period of time when compared to pool.

A few months working on your poker game and you might be getting pretty good. A few months playing pool and your lucky to be an APA 4. Typically, it takes years to get very good.

The same testosterone-headed demographic who would be playing pool has been stolen away to poker over better and easier opportunities. :(

Best,
Broan kc

Don't kid yourself. It takes a lot of skill to suck out a flush on the river.
 
Coin Operated Tables !

When I first walked into the local,the Glenhead Social Club,must have been 1982 the locals were refusing to play as the price went up from 10p to 15p a game ! Next thing it was 20p a game then 30p then 40p and the bar till would run out of 20p coins.The bar ended up giving us the keys for the table when this happened.Next thing it's 50p a game and all this was happening when loads of people lost jobs and the customers dwindled away and you had to stop buying rounds of pints in and the spare change from a pint got loaded into fruit machines in the hope of more pool & pints.

Then came the smoking ban in the pubs and the players stopped going,the pool team I played in went defunct and by that time it was £1 a game .Eventually the league folded.Around the same time the local Darts and Domino league folded.

The pool league resurfaced last year & I heard my old team were struggling for players,so I payed them a visit & said you should stream the games on Ustreams & that will get players to sign up but they weren't interested.They finished 2nd in the League & won a cup & sit 3rd in the league right now best of luck to them !

Back in 1982 I would enter the pool/darts/dominos each tournament was 50p to enter and the prize was a bottle of spirits of your choice runner up half bottle so it was always worth going into all 3 !

Thanks for the trip down memory lane !
Happy New Year 2012 to all.
From church66
 
Bingo we have a winner!!!

Pool like any other sport must be developed with the kids,unfortunately this isn't being done with pool .If you want future players ,start them out when they are young. Most important, make it affordable. Empty tables earn NOTHING .

This has been the exact thing I have been saying for years! The pool hall I currently play at does zero to attract the younger folks, in fact they are discouraging them. They do not even have cues on the wall racks, they expect folks to rent cues from them.. DUH!! When I was a kid back in the 60's EVERY pool hall had some cues on the wall for folks to use free of charge. You grabbed one, rolled it on the table, got the best you could find and you played pool. Do the pool hall owners expect new young players to walk in with custom cues?? WTF??? The stupidity of some of the people that run pool halls just amazes me!! JMO of course and I'm sure we will see many more going out of business this year. The up side to this is many folks are putting tables in their homes, I actually play more with friends at their homes than I do in pool halls now...
 
This has been the exact thing I have been saying for years! The pool hall I currently play at does zero to attract the younger folks, in fact they are discouraging them. They do not even have cues on the wall racks, they expect folks to rent cues from them.. DUH!! When I was a kid back in the 60's EVERY pool hall had some cues on the wall for folks to use free of charge. You grabbed one, rolled it on the table, got the best you could find and you played pool. Do the pool hall owners expect new young players to walk in with custom cues?? WTF??? The stupidity of some of the people that run pool halls just amazes me!! JMO of course and I'm sure we will see many more going out of business this year. The up side to this is many folks are putting tables in their homes, I actually play more with friends at their homes than I do in pool halls now...

I have read many posts like this. I could write a book about efforts to promote pool to the youth. You and many others do not have a clue. You can try all you want and make it FREE. They will tell you to take a hike and take pool with you. There is other stuff that is much more fun to do. They are not interested and you can't get them interested.
 
I don't think there is a single cause or solution for the current "condition" of pool, it's more like all of the above and then some...

I think it realy hurt pool to lose television as a venue. ESPN always did a poor job with pool in the US, but at least it used to be on TV and maintained a bit of mindshare... But now, it's never on; replaced with other events and sadly poker. On the rare occasion it is on, it's mostly artistic/trickshot pool, or one or two semi-finals out of the Challenge of Champions which has a horrible format... I can't stand to watch any of it.

Of course poker, the Internet, and the resurgance of video games has really drawn attention away from tradional passtimes. This just is what it is, if people want to watch and play poker, that's their choice. It actually shouldn't be a choice of one over the other, but who has time these days to pursue all their desires.

The pool venues really tend to leave much to be desired. As mentioned by others, a room with some tables and a few drinks is not exactly a draw to get people in the door to have a good time... You really have to love pool to put up with that. But on the other-hand while a fully stacked hall is more enticing, it's a heavy investment to have a nice hall with nice equipment, a kitchen, wait-staff, etc... And you have to acquire all that without raising prices because people are f'in cheap.

As for starting kids in when they are young, that's a good idea, except I would never bring my kid into a pool hall. Lots of shady people, lots of adult behavior, lots of assholes, drinking... And that's in the nice halls (not to mention that as a player I get annoyed with kids at the pool hall, lol). My dad took me to the local university campus and we played pool there weekly... But as a matter of "progress" they shed their pool tables (as well as close their bowling alley); times change.

I think peer recruiting is also a good idea, but it's pretty difficult unless the person has an open mind or is predisposed to want to play pool; pool is intimidating to most inexperienced people. Besides fear, a lot of people don't have the patience to pick-up pool since it has a steep learning curve. Plus most people think of the pool community as loaded with sketchy people, hustlers, and gamblers and they want no part of it.

I think handicapped leagues are a great way to grow the player base, but the majority of people you recruit into pool via leagues just want to have fun and grow organically. They aren't hardcore, they don't want to gamble, and they like their handicapped pool. The non-handicapped leagues will tend to appeal to hardcore pool players and are too intimidating to casual players.

I think the pain in the pool world we feel now will remain for a while. I think that pool will cycle back into favor eventually (my predictions are usually wrong btw). I think the popularity of pool in Asia will spill-over into the US. While we have some incredible talent in US pool now, many of the pros don't seem to have their heart in the game these days. There are a lot of up-and-coming players who will want to gun for a piece of the pie in Asia, and maybe that will stir the pot a bit. Hopefully enough to justify an improvement in the pool business model here and the pool community.

That's all pretty much unformulated though on my part, plus I'm sleepy, so if it doesn't quite make sense it's not because I'm an idiot, just that I'm off-kilter ;)
 
What happened To Pool ? !

I haven't posted the P.D.C darts thread for no reason.
You must ask yourselves why did U.S T.V ditch the Pool scene ? Yet the SKY T.V people make a show of the darts !

Answers on a postcard please !
 
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