What if mosconi's high run was broken?

I am hoping someone will make a concerted effort to
start up a solid Straight Pool League in Northern California.
Bart Mahoney made an effort a couple years back, but it
fizzled out (don't know why).

I am too old, and too tired to put the necessary effort into
such a venture, but would support it with all my being, IF,
and when it came to pass.
 
Road Hustler, thanks for posting the interview links.
Those were great interviews with Willie. He seemed like a very humble person.
Can you imagine, making $600 a month in the dirty thirties?
 
Videos

Blue Hog ridr said:
Road Hustler, thanks for posting the interview links.
Those were great interviews with Willie. He seemed like a very humble person.
Can you imagine, making $600 a month in the dirty thirties?
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thank you
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/?p=1068
He has a bunch of good stuff on his site.
Somewhere on his site he had part one of the Irving Crane video. Where Mr. Crane talks about playing against Mosconi. He says to beat Mosconi you have to play the table not the man because you will never beat the man.

After watching the videos again I didn't quite remember it right.
But he does say the play the balls not the man thing.
And that beating Mosconi was his most exciting match.
Though it isn't clear weather he is talking about 1946 or 1955 the two times in 20 world competitions he defeated Mosconi in the finals.

By the way in the 15 year period between 1942 and 1956 Mosconi lost 5 times. Twice to Crane once to Jimmy Caras and twice to Andrew Ponzi.
He took second 4 out of those 5 times.
From 42 to 56 he only failed to appear in the top two once in 1943 I guess everyone has a off year once in a decade and a half.

Is it the longest string of world championships of any sport in the history of the world?



Found it
Irving Crane part 1

Irving Crane Part 2
 
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Personally

I don't think the record will ever be broken, because:

1) It would have to be organized as an event, with a certain number of spectators present during the whole event.
2) What if the player trying to break the record messed up a couple of times, would the spectators stand for him starting over a few times or not?
3) I think John Schmidt is the only American player with a chance to break the record. Will he? What say you, John, will you try to break Willie's record?
 
BCAPL Hi-Run contest

This is a timely thread. CSI is attempting to help revive straight pool and is having a Hi-Run Challenge at our BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships - to be held at the Riviera Hotel from May 11-21, 2011.

See the press release on AZBilliards:http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8697

We are offering to match up to $10,000 to be given to anyone who ties or breaks the record of 526. Is this likely to happen - probably not.

But we are going to be having this event every year - with the hopes of bringing back the US Open Straight Pool Championship.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
 
RoadHustler said:
thank you
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/?p=1068
He has a bunch of good stuff on his site.
Somewhere on his site he had part one of the Irving Crane video. Where Mr. Crane talks about playing against Mosconi. He says to beat Mosconi you have to play the table not the man because you will never beat the man.

After watching the videos again I didn't quite remember it right.
But he does say the play the balls not the man thing.
And that beating Mosconi was his most exciting match.
Though it isn't clear weather he is talking about 1946 or 1955 the two times in 20 world competitions he defeated Mosconi in the finals.

By the way in the 15 year period between 1942 and 1956 Mosconi lost 5 times. Twice to Crane once to Jimmy Caras and twice to Andrew Ponzi.
He took second 4 out of those 5 times.
From 42 to 56 he only failed to appear in the top two once in 1943 I guess everyone has a off year once in a decade and a half.

Is it the longest string of world championships of any sport in the history of the world?



Found it
Irving Crane part 1

Irving Crane Part 2
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I believe Greenleaf had a similar string of success in world championship play...he dominated from 1919 to 1933 or so losing just once I think in 1925.
 
Mark Griffin said:
This is a timely thread. CSI is attempting to help revive straight pool and is having a Hi-Run Challenge at our BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships - to be held at the Riviera Hotel from May 11-21, 2011.

See the press release on AZBilliards:http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8697

We are offering to match up to $10,000 to be given to anyone who ties or breaks the record of 526. Is this likely to happen - probably not.

But we are going to be having this event every year - with the hopes of bringing back the US Open Straight Pool Championship.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
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Here is the whole story:

Cue Sports International

Beat Mosconi’s High Single Run of 526 Win up to $20,000 at CSI 14.1 High Run Contest at the BCAPL Nationals

One of the festivities taking place during the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships (May 11-22, 2011 at the Riviera hotel & casino, Las Vegas, NV) is a special 14.1 High Run contest. The contest will take place during the BCAPL event on two Diamond 9’ Pro Cut tables located in booths 30-32in the Grande ballroom of the Riviera Convention Center.

The main contest will feature several divisions: pro, amateur men, amateur women, and amateur seniors. Each participant who signs up pays $20 for 4turns at the table with their recorded run being an accumulation of their 4 turns. Each division will be awarded cash and prizes based on the top scores. The top eight highest accumulative scores will have a tournament on Saturday, May 21st. The goal of the CSI high run contest is to encourage more interest in the great game of Straight Pool.

In addition to the primary 14.1 contest is a very special opportunity. CSI will match up to the $10,000 (cash only) for a potential grand total of $20,000 to award to any player that beats or ties the Straight Pool single run record of 526 balls set by Willie Mosconi in 1954. The shooter who breaks or ties the record must do so in a single, not accumulative, run at the table. CSI will have set up the capability to record the contestants at the CSI 14.1 Contest.

For more information or to enter stop by the CSI 14.1 Contest booth, who knows you may witness or make pool history!

CueSports International is dedicated to creating more choices for all players. CSI is the parent company of the BCA Pool League and the USA Pool League. CSI also produces independent events such as the U.S. Bar Table Championships, the Jay Swanson Memorial, the U.S. Open One Pocket Championship and the U.S. Open 10-Ball Championship. Visit www.playcsipool.com, www.playbca.com and www.playusapool.com for more information about CSI and its divisions.

---------------

This is big and greater reason for everyone to start practicing 14.1 :thumbup:

S.G.
 
Mr441 said:
I believe Greenleaf had a similar string of success in world championship play...he dominated from 1919 to 1933 or so losing just once I think in 1925.
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Yes, Greenleaf lost in 1925 to Irwin Rudolph and then won it back again the following year. He won the Championship a total of 20 times from 1919 to 1937, losing only in 1925 and 1935-1936. They sometimes had more than one Championship in one year, some being challenge matches for the title as opposed to a tournament. Interestingly, when he won in 1937 he was already considered a little past his prime (at 38, do to drinking) but he managed to win it, Crane came in a close second and so he then challenged Greenleaf for the title later that year and the "past his prime" Greenleaf destroyed him by the score of 1500-550!!!
 
Bobby said:
Yes, Greenleaf lost in 1925 to Irwin Rudolph and then won it back again the following year. He won the Championship a total of 20 times from 1919 to 1937, losing only in 1925 and 1935-1936. They sometimes had more than one Championship in one year, some being challenge matches for the title as opposed to a tournament. Interestingly, when he won in 1937 he was already considered a little past his prime (at 38, do to drinking) but he managed to win it, Crane came in a close second and so he then challenged Greenleaf for the title later that year and the "past his prime" Greenleaf destroyed him by the score of 1500-550!!!
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I've always been amazed by the score of that Greenleaf/Crane challenge match. I wonder if the lopsided score was because maybe Crane quit at some point? I know Greenleaf was the best in his prime and probably still the favorite in 1937 but he wasn't still at his peak and Crane was 25 years old and already a contender. I would think he would have gotten more than 550 balls. It's not easy to win by that score, Greenleaf would have had to have made almost 3 balls for every 1 that Crane made, or winning each block by an average of 125-45 and maintaining that for 12 blocks!
 
I realize that a few have unofficially broken the record and that John S could quite possibly do it.

But out of respect for Willie, why would anyone want to do it officially?
Some things are just better off left unsaid and the same might be said of deeds undone.

If you want to climb Mount Everest or jump the Snake River Canyon, go ahead, just leave Willies record stand as it is.
 
Records are meant to be broken.

While I think that John Schmidt Mr. 400 could easily (well not easily) jump to Mr. 600, There are many others that have the ability to beat the record as well. Corey comes to mind first.

Carl
 
you guys forget the man who came closest to breaking it...Thomas Engert ran 491...he would be a top favorite to break the record in my book.
 
time

Mr. J said:
Set up a 4x8 table with standard pockets and let the Champs go at it...

The record of 526 balls pocketed was accomplished on that equipment I believe...

No negativity intended here, just fairness and keeping things equal for the one attempting to break the record...

Mr. J.
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How long did it take him to run the 526 balls?
 
RoadHustler said:
thank you
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/?p=1068
He has a bunch of good stuff on his site.
Somewhere on his site he had part one of the Irving Crane video. Where Mr. Crane talks about playing against Mosconi. He says to beat Mosconi you have to play the table not the man because you will never beat the man.

After watching the videos again I didn't quite remember it right.
But he does say the play the balls not the man thing.
And that beating Mosconi was his most exciting match.
Though it isn't clear weather he is talking about 1946 or 1955 the two times in 20 world competitions he defeated Mosconi in the finals.

By the way in the 15 year period between 1942 and 1956 Mosconi lost 5 times. Twice to Crane once to Jimmy Caras and twice to Andrew Ponzi.
He took second 4 out of those 5 times.
From 42 to 56 he only failed to appear in the top two once in 1943 I guess everyone has a off year once in a decade and a half.

Is it the longest string of world championships of any sport in the history of the world?



Found it
Irving Crane part 1

Irving Crane Part 2
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Walter Lindrum held the English billiards world championship from 1933 to 1950. No one beat him, he retired.

Mosconi ran a 589 and a 608 in practice (on a 9' table).

Do you know anything more about Chin's runs? I remember being really impressed with his game at the 2000 U.S. Open but I haven't really heard much about him since.
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Not much, but I remember reading somewhere that one of them might be on video.
 
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If it's not broken on a 4x8, people will say that it was easier because it was on a larger table (the balls spread more).

The forums will be alight. :)
 
TX Poolnut said:
If it's not broken on a 4x8, people will say that it was easier because it was on a larger table (the balls spread more).

The forums will be alight. :)
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I agree. If a chance is going to be offered to break Mosconi's record, then it should be on the identical equipment and conditions on which Mosconi did it.

Quite frankly, I don't think it will ever get beat on a Diamond. Having the players attempt it on a diamond would automatically be putting them at a severe disadvantage.

In that respect, Bobby Chamberlain's 311 on a Diamond should be recognized as a world record in its own right.
 
Not sure???

berlowmj2 said:
How long did it take him to run the 526 balls?
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I am not sure how long this feat took to accomplish, however there are many historians here who will probably come up with the answer for us.

Mr. J.

Also, I am quite sure that the run was accomplished during an exibition.
 
Mr. J said:
I am not sure how long this feat took to accomplish, however there are many historians here who will probably come up with the answer for us.

Mr. J.

Also, I am quite sure that the run was accomplished during an exibition.
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And....from what I've heard, he didn't miss his last shot, he simply QUIT shooting as it was an exhibition and he thought he had spent enough of his time at it. WOW!!!

Maniac
 
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