What if mosconi's high run was broken?

RoadHustler said:
Found this on Dyers website Untold Stories

I recently posed this question to historian Charlie Ursitti: which player really was best. Charlie is an expert in the field, having recently created a website with more than a century of pool statistics. He is a man of strongly held opinions when it comes to pool. Charlie’s answer to me was emphatic. Without a doubt, he said, Mosconi was the superior player. Charlie says this is not simply his opinion, but rather the indisputable conclusion one must draw from examining the facts.

“I statistically proved that Willie was better,” said Ursitti, recalling to me an analysis he conducted some 20 years ago. “He (Mosconi) won 76.3 percent of the games and Greenleaf won 70 percent of his games.” Charlie said these numbers, first published in an article for The National Billiard News, did not sit well with Greenleaf's fans. “I got more hate mail than anybody had in 10 years. They’d say: ‘you don’t know, you never saw Greenleaf play.’ I said both of them played in competition, I never saw them (play against each other) — all I did was present the numbers. And the numbers don’t lie.”

As for Walter Lindrum he was playing English billiards. Totally different discipline like comparing apples and apple pie. 4 balls no clusters and a dizzying array of ways to score.
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I mentioned Lindrum in response to the comment about Mosconi possibly having the longest string of world championships in sports history.
 
Lindrum

Masayoshi said:
I mentioned Lindrum in response to the comment about Mosconi possibly having the longest string of world championships in sports history.
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Lindrum totally wins for best head stone ever!
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Snapshot9 said:
I wonder if any of these posters that say Mosconi was a super fast player ever saw him in person. I did, because I shot him in an exhibition match, 14.1 to 125, at the Billiard Tavern in San Diego at 12th and Broadway in 1968. He was not a super fast player, maybe just a tad faster than average, and he did not have to walk around the table much at all, he knew all the shots. This was a dream come true for me because he was an idol of mine since I was a teenager.

And all his shots were dead center of the pockets, he did not slide any balls.
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Snap-man,
You saw Willie AFTER his stroke in 1957. I'm reporting from before that. He has a recorded 125 in 20 minutes in championship tournament play.

The guys from Kansas City (degenerate pool gamblers, who of course can not be trusted) that hung with Willie when he lived there in the early 50's) reported his practice schedule was to come in, run a 200, then do his paper work. They can not remember it ever taking over an hour for him to get to his paper work.

Lou Butera reported to me personally that the only player that could ever come close to his speed was Willie. Good enough for me, but all second hand sources.
 
Living witnesses...

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There has to be at least one living wittiness right 40 people? I am going to submit this to that history detectives show...
 
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measureman said:
There was a time when I played every day and a 50 ball run was not uncommon for me. I once tried to run some balls on a 5x10 and gave up in frustration. It is more difficult then you might think.
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That is a fact, that small differance in size changes everything. I use to practice 14-1 and 1 Pocket on a 6 x 12 Snooker table using normal sized balls (2 1/4 inch). People use to think that I was crazy and they could not understand the concept or how this type of practice would imporve your game.

I think my High Run was something like 11 balls on that table, but I was proud it wish i could repeat it today. But the best part of practicing on that table was that when confronted with long difficult shots on a 9 ft table I had more than enough confidence to knock them in.

Wish I had 6 x 12 around these days!!
 
I wonder sometimes if people here actually know anything about sports outside of pool

Exhibitions mean NOTHING, records are for the Guiness book, lol
 
Hmmmm

If the record was broken it would not matter, because Mosconi would still be "Da Man". Yeah, the new record holder would get his just rewards and be compared to the greatest of all time, and rightly so, but it does not diminish Mosconi one bit.

Cal Ripken broke Lou Gehrig's records for consecutive games played and still has the record sitting at 2632. It does not dimish Lou, and it does add to Cal's already impressive resume, but Gehrig is still the "Iron Horse".

Cal was elected to HOF with a 98% on his first ballot. He won 2 MVP's, one world series, 19 time all star, hit over 400 HR's, and has over 3000 hits,, but Lou is still the only "Iron Horse".... and Cal says as much himself..and refuses to be called the "Iron Horse" out of respect for Lou.
 
the record doesn't matter now, lol

may be it did a few decades ago

the average person in a pool room today wouldn't know Mosconi from Adam

too many people on this thread are confusing the difficulty of his feat to it's RELEVANCE
 
I don't understand the need for these type of threads. Who cares what people who don't play pool think. If Joe Smoe didn't know Mosconi i couldn't care less. i know of him and so does everyone i know who plays.
All the threads about how pool is dead.All i know is i see so many pool tables in commercials and in TV shows and in the movies. There are tons of table being sold everyday. It has become hip to have a billiard room even if you don't play.
Pool will always be around. Will it be a TV sport, i doubt it but then again i don't care. I play and will continue to do so and most on here will also. Regardless of what the rest of the public does.
 
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