What if we had Pool Grand Slams

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Imagine Pool like golf or tennis with major events/grandslam events.
Tennis has Wimbledon, US Open, French, Aussie
Golf has..US Open, Open Champioships (British Open), Masters, PGA i think..

The pros will have major titles to strive for while playing smaller tournaments.

Which current annual pool events can we consider as majors?
US Open for sure. WTBC in Manila could be..DCC? Any European events?

Imagine the world's top players vying to win them all and achieving grand slam.

So yea is there such a thing for pool right now?
 
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The DCC types of tournaments might be alot of fun to play in but those types of tournaments are not going to help this sport gain noteriety, which a grand slam type of thing might be used to accomplish.

Poker is ALOT like pool in that when they saw their chance to market their sport and get a huge number of people interested they chose one very specific and simple game that was relatively well known and they made that game the ONLY focus. Texas Hold Em IS poker to the masses. The people in charge knew that confusing the issue with Omaha, Stud, and other incarnations of poker would confuse the general public and cause people to shy away from the sport. Thus they told the general public that THIS is poker, they gave them Texas Hold Em, made the people understand that game and that game only, they showed celebrities playing that game and that game only, they showed the pro's competing in that game and that game only. And the public learned the game, they were not flooded with too much info with all sorts of poker, and they bought into the game and now poker is HUGE.

Pool has never figured this out. They went to a game (9-ball) that the general public does not play (the players play it, the actual masses that make up 99.4% of people who shoot the occasional game of pool play 8-ball). They basically isolated themselves from the people that they NEEDED to have the support and interest from. The DCC with banks, 1-pocket, and 9-ball miss the boat completely. As if 9-ball was not obscure enough they add in 2 games that the general public would not even attempt to understand or play.

If pool ever wants to succeed they need to cater to the general public with a simple game that is easy to understand and already has some recognition, 8-ball. And it needs to be the ONLY game played, you need to KISS (keep it simple stupid) for the public like poker did. Pool has been doing exactly what poker realized they could not, attempting to create new games and make things more complex for the general public. And for decades the general public has given a clear answer what they think of that and that answer has fallen on very deaf and stubborn ears.

This game is flat out too complex. When 95% of people who might notice a game of 9-ball being played have NO clue on the rules or the strategy of the game they are going to have NO interest in watching it. I was at the pool hall last night and 80%+ of the general public hacks who cannot shoot a lick but enjoy the game were playing, yep you guessed it, 8-ball. It is THOSE people that you need to get watching and the 99% of the people in the pubs who also play.... yep 8-ball.

The 50,000 people who actually give a crap about rotational pool, of which maybe 5,000 people might actually check websites and watch a free stream of an event are not going to support a professional sport. There are 5,000,000 people out there that have at least SOME interest in 8-ball, and if you can get 500,000 of them checking a website or watching the sport in a live stream NOW you are getting somewhere, it is not huge, but from there word of mouth starts to get out of the pool hall and to the water cooler at work, the sponsers start to notice, and the sport has a hope of starting a positive feedback loop of growth.

ATM the sport is so isolated due to rotational pool having such a small exclusive fanbase that there is no bloody hope of growth, and 1-pocket just magnify the problem by about 1000. Even on this website of pool aficionado's 1-pocket is seen as boring by a large percentage of posters, to people addicted to bloody pool enough to surf this forum!!! That HAS to set off alarms that maybe that avenue of making this sport something more is a dead end. I mean, if that does not tell the people in charge that another direction should be found get a bloody shovel and start digging.

Uhh, anyways yeah in conclusion the sport might need grand slams but the sport needs to make the grand slam be a combination of events that truly get the attention of the general public. Having a grand slam of obscure events that the general public does not care about just makes this sport even more excusive and closes the door even tighter to the sport actually changing directions and goiung where it needs to go.
 
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The DCC types of tournaments might be alot of fun to play in but those types of tournaments are not going to help this sport gain noteriety, which a grand slam type of thing might be used to accomplish.

Poker is ALOT like pool in that when they saw their chance to market their sport and get a huge number of people interested they chose one very specific and simple game that was relatively well known and they made that game the ONLY focus. Texas Hold Em IS poker to the masses. The people in charge knew that confusing the issue with Omaha, Stud, and other incarnations of poker would confuse the general public and cause people to shy away from the sport. Thus they told the general public that THIS is poker, they gave them Texas Hold Em, made the people understand that game and that game only, they showed celebrities playing that game and that game only, they showed the pro's competing in that game and that game only. And the public learned the game, they were not flooded with too much info with all sorts of poker, and they bought into the game and now poker is HUGE.

Pool has never figured this out. They went to a game (9-ball) that the general public does not play (the players play it, the actual masses that make up 99.4% of people who shoot the occasional game of pool play 8-ball). They basically isolated themselves from the people that they NEEDED to have the support and interest from. The DCC with banks, 1-pocket, and 9-ball miss the boat completely. As if 9-ball was not obscure enough they add in 2 games that the general public would not even attempt to understand or play.

If pool ever wants to succeed they need to cater to the general public with a simple game that is easy to understand and already has some recognition, 8-ball. And it needs to be the ONLY game played, you need to KISS (keep it simple stupid) for the public like poker did. Pool has been doing exactly what poker realized they could not, attempting to create new games and make things more complex for the general public. And for decades the general public has given a clear answer what they think of that and that answer has fallen on very deaf and stubborn ears.

This game is flat out too complex. When 95% of people who might notice a game of 9-ball being played have NO clue on the rules or the strategy of the game they are going to have NO interest in watching it. I was at the pool hall last night and 80%+ of the general public hacks who cannot shoot a lick but enjoy the game were playing, yep you guessed it, 8-ball. It is THOSE people that you need to get watching and the 99% of the people in the pubs who also play.... yep 8-ball.

The 50,000 people who actually give a crap about rotational pool, of which maybe 5,000 people might actually check websites and watch a free stream of an event are not going to support a professional sport. There are 5,000,000 people out there that have at least SOME interest in 8-ball, and if you can get 500,000 of them checking a website or watching the sport in a live stream NOW you are getting somewhere, it is not huge, but from there word of mouth starts to get out of the pool hall and to the water cooler at work, the sponsers start to notice, and the sport has a hope of starting a positive feedback loop of growth.

ATM the sport is so isolated due to rotational pool having such a small exclusive fanbase that there is no bloody hope of growth, and 1-pocket just magnify the problem by about 1000. Even on this website of pool aficionado's 1-pocket is seen as boring by a large percentage of posters, to people addicted to bloody pool enough to surf this forum!!! That HAS to set off alarms that maybe that avenue of making this sport something more is a dead end. I mean, if that does not tell the people in charge that another direction should be found get a bloody shovel and start digging.

Uhh, anyways yeah in conclusion the sport might need grand slams but the sport needs to make the grand slam be a combination of events that truly get the attention of the general public. Having a grand slam of obscure events that the general public does not care about just makes this sport even more excusive and closes the door even tighter to the sport actually changing directions and goiung where it needs to go.

That's basically it. Obviously you don't stop having 9 ball, 14.1 and one pocket tournaments, but the main focus for getting public attention should be 8 ball. Although I prefer 10 ball to 9 ball, I think going to the former is a poor marketing decision because now you are alienating even the casual 9 ball players, in effect making a niche even smaller.
 
Focusing on just 8ball won't help one little bit. Casual players play by all kind of funky rules, bar rules, last pocket variant...etc. 99.999% of your "8ball players" don't know international rules and that is a fact. Not only that, they also show zero interest to learn proper rules of the game.
 
I agree with your rationale, but 8ball is not the solution. It's paced far too slow, consists of typically dull shot selections, and the odd banger can even run a 2pack at it (which in turn makes the pros look unimpressive).

I agree that we need to set a standard, but 8ball will do more harm then good.
 
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I agree with your rationale, but 8ball is not the solution. It's paced far too slow, consists of typically dull shot selections, and any banger can run a 2pack at it (which in turn makes the pros look unimpressive).

I agree that we need to set a standard, but 8ball will do more harm then good.

ah no and no. does a set of 9b really take less time than 8b. i dont think so. prove it with stats on game length. i dare you to find a "banger" off the street who can run a 2 pack in 8b (or even run out). however said banger can win 9b in 2 seconds by snapping in the 9 or playing some rediculous combo or just getting lucking. to 9b is really the "pros" game? really?

brian
 
ah no and no. does a set of 9b really take less time than 8b. i dont think so. prove it with stats on game length. i dare you to find a "banger" off the street who can run a 2 pack in 8b (or even run out). however said banger can win 9b in 2 seconds by snapping in the 9 or playing some rediculous combo or just getting lucking. to 9b is really the "pros" game? really?

brian

There are tons of bangers in the local leagues who can throw 2 racks of 8 ball together, butchering position and randomly picking their next shot. I'm not saying they do it consistently....at all, but once in a blue moon they manage. Hell, when I was first learning to play I ran a 2-pack and I didn't even know how to draw the ball or use english. The balls just broke open, and I thoughtlessly and randomly banged them in. Such tactics would never have worked in 9 ball. The fact that the record for most break and runs in 8 ball is around 29 (Souquet) while the record in 9ball is barely half the number is proof of that.

And yes, I strongly feel that 8 ball is more dull to watch than 9 ball. The shot selection options are drastically increased in 8 ball, increasing the length of the thought process, and in turn the game. It also makes it more confusing to the casual viewers.

As for being a 'pros' game, that's completely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about what's good for TV, not what's good for the pros. If you really want to argue that one, then try telling me why pros rarely play 8 ball these days if they truly prefer it over 9 ball.

And for the record, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just telling you why I dont think that 8 ball is the solution.
 
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The DCC types of tournaments might be alot of fun to play in but those types of tournaments are not going to help this sport gain noteriety, which a grand slam type of thing might be used to accomplish.

Poker is ALOT like pool in that when they saw their chance to market their sport and get a huge number of people interested they chose one very specific and simple game that was relatively well known and they made that game the ONLY focus. Texas Hold Em IS poker to the masses. The people in charge knew that confusing the issue with Omaha, Stud, and other incarnations of poker would confuse the general public and cause people to shy away from the sport. Thus they told the general public that THIS is poker, they gave them Texas Hold Em, made the people understand that game and that game only, they showed celebrities playing that game and that game only, they showed the pro's competing in that game and that game only. And the public learned the game, they were not flooded with too much info with all sorts of poker, and they bought into the game and now poker is HUGE.

Pool has never figured this out. They went to a game (9-ball) that the general public does not play (the players play it, the actual masses that make up 99.4% of people who shoot the occasional game of pool play 8-ball). They basically isolated themselves from the people that they NEEDED to have the support and interest from. The DCC with banks, 1-pocket, and 9-ball miss the boat completely. As if 9-ball was not obscure enough they add in 2 games that the general public would not even attempt to understand or play.

If pool ever wants to succeed they need to cater to the general public with a simple game that is easy to understand and already has some recognition, 8-ball. And it needs to be the ONLY game played, you need to KISS (keep it simple stupid) for the public like poker did. Pool has been doing exactly what poker realized they could not, attempting to create new games and make things more complex for the general public. And for decades the general public has given a clear answer what they think of that and that answer has fallen on very deaf and stubborn ears.

This game is flat out too complex. When 95% of people who might notice a game of 9-ball being played have NO clue on the rules or the strategy of the game they are going to have NO interest in watching it. I was at the pool hall last night and 80%+ of the general public hacks who cannot shoot a lick but enjoy the game were playing, yep you guessed it, 8-ball. It is THOSE people that you need to get watching and the 99% of the people in the pubs who also play.... yep 8-ball.

The 50,000 people who actually give a crap about rotational pool, of which maybe 5,000 people might actually check websites and watch a free stream of an event are not going to support a professional sport. There are 5,000,000 people out there that have at least SOME interest in 8-ball, and if you can get 500,000 of them checking a website or watching the sport in a live stream NOW you are getting somewhere, it is not huge, but from there word of mouth starts to get out of the pool hall and to the water cooler at work, the sponsers start to notice, and the sport has a hope of starting a positive feedback loop of growth.

ATM the sport is so isolated due to rotational pool having such a small exclusive fanbase that there is no bloody hope of growth, and 1-pocket just magnify the problem by about 1000. Even on this website of pool aficionado's 1-pocket is seen as boring by a large percentage of posters, to people addicted to bloody pool enough to surf this forum!!! That HAS to set off alarms that maybe that avenue of making this sport something more is a dead end. I mean, if that does not tell the people in charge that another direction should be found get a bloody shovel and start digging.

Uhh, anyways yeah in conclusion the sport might need grand slams but the sport needs to make the grand slam be a combination of events that truly get the attention of the general public. Having a grand slam of obscure events that the general public does not care about just makes this sport even more excusive and closes the door even tighter to the sport actually changing directions and goiung where it needs to go.
 
Ok my 2 cents. The thing is, billiards is big everywhere but here. The Euros & Asians love it. They can sit through entire sessions of snooker, for God's sake. The problem is that Americans have become so attention-deficit that they need their "entertainment" quick-hitting & 9-ball is the only game that qualifies, and now even that isn't good enough. Americans love their football & basketball & video games. This is why I don't think billiards will ever get back to the glory days.
 
consider seminole final "mizerak 10-ball"

and "turning stone"

but i really think there needs to be a organized tour of major events.........

Ya know Gary...I had them both on the list originally but I removed em for Reno and VF simply out of geographics. Im think to make it a true Grand Slam it should touch another continent. Golf and tennis have their majors across the pond and a large percentage of quality player in pool reside in Europe and Asia. Maybe the WPA should look into this for 2011...
 
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