What is Borana Andoni's speed?

[poolplayer2093]

Ive played in a Predator tour event with her in January but never really paid too much attention to her game.

I know she is rated as a solid B player. A "B" level player in New York (from what ive seen) is more like A level players elsewhere. New York is chock full of great players so i personally thought the B players played more like A players...

how often does she break and run more than 1 rack?

 

[poolmonkey]

i know Borana is playing for small stakes every now and then, so maybe she would step up and play you for $.

What do you think would be a fair match? I would definitely pay TAR to watch this

I've watched both OMGWTF and Borana play before and imho i think the match up would be fairly even. I have to give the advantage to Borana though since she plays alot and has snapped off C-D and B-C-D handicapped tournaments. Plus she has played on tv in the Philippines for the DP scotch doubles event.
I dont know Borana well so not sure if she's ballsy enough to wager something for a challenge match. But if its tru that she wants to play Jay for $500, maybe she is willing to play for some higher stakes against someone closer to her own speed.

and Roy, I'm with you, I would totally luv to sweat this match. Since vegas is coming up, I propose the 2 ladies can do a small TAR challenge match for the masses since they'll both be there

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

OMGWTF vs Borana?

i know Borana is playing for small stakes every now and then, so maybe she would step up and play you for $.

What do you think would be a fair match? I would definitely pay TAR to watch this

OMGWTF, I hear Greyhound has a special on CCCC (cross country critter crawling).

These two ladies may be pretty evenly matched. However... Melinda is a cold blooded, ruthless, experienced killer. After his dispatch, CUBC took a job as a door to door Fuller salesman in Bangladesh. And... Last word has it that Mary Avina moved to Siberia with a D player after OMG simply glared at her from two tables over in a local Rotary tournament.

I doubt Borana wants any of Melinda. Don't let her love for little stuffed animals fool ya.

 

[poolmonkey]

OMGWTF, I hear Greyhound has a special on CCCC (cross country critter crawling).

These two ladies may be pretty evenly matched. However... Melinda is a cold blooded, ruthless, experienced killer. After his dispatch, CUBC took a job as a door to door Fuller salesman in Bangladesh. And... Last word has it that Mary Avina moved to Siberia with a D player after OMG simply glared at her from two tables over in a local Rotary tournament.

I doubt Borana wants any of Melinda. Don't let her love for little stuffed animals fool ya.

I dunno KK9, Borana is pretty feisty herself. If you ever talk to her you would get that vibe too. but who knows, maybe you're right and she doesnt want any of Mel.

 

[jimM]

I'll back her

If you guys get a game together, Jim Murnak Cue Cases will back Borana with $500.

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Big Perm]

AZ is really falling apart people.....9 pages about eye candy, and not one single photo of this vixen and her team

This type of marketing is good and bad....it's good because people see attractive females and want to watch.....but, if the attractive female shoots no better than the average B player tuned in, they are going to get bored and change the channel....all too often, pool opens itself up to the quick fix or quick money and really misses the mark when it comes to long term success....

No knock on this gal and her team - I don't know them, have never seen them play, and they are just taking advantage of opportunity.....

Pool gets zero money and people hate watching it for two reasons - slow play and defense.....they want the action to move, and they want to see someone do something that they can't.....it's that simple.....

Example - on Sunday at the Masters, Michelson had a 210 yard shot inbetween two trees, from pine straw, that had to be drawn to a difficult pin just over water.....he went for it, that is why golf gets the money.....if it were two pool players, the guy would have just chipped the ball up against the tree and turned the shot over to the other player....and likely taken about 20 practice swings and 5 minutes before doing so....

 

[2.5 pack]

4pack in 10ball.... waaaaay too strong for me. I asked her to play some, but maybe its a good thing she said no. This D+ would get robbed!

This thread was originally asking how Borana plays and jimM responded by stating what he thought and saw. So why is it that everyone needs to be so condescending with their responses saying that they need a spot and that they have no chance to play her even? Why do people need to call her out to play or try to setup a match when that has nothing to do with what this thread it about? I have never seen her come on here and talk crap about a players game or call anyone out to play. All her posts on this forum has been positive and people still need to talk crap. And people wonder why there are so little number of the players that we follow post here. She loves to play pool and if you got a problem with what she is doing then don't give her any attention. All your posts are just growing her popularity. Hate her or love her, if you are thinking about her than shes doing something right.

I do not know about the other haters on here but Cleary maybe you are just jealous because you have been in the middle of this 1 pack for 5 years on your home table and the best you can do now is make t shirts that ask for weight which you already got plenty of.

 

[GMAC]

This thread was originally asking how Borana plays and jimM responded by stating what he thought and saw. So why is it that everyone needs to be so condescending with their responses saying that they need a spot and that they have no chance to play her even? Why do people need to call her out to play or try to setup a match when that has nothing to do with what this thread it about. I have never seen her come on here and talk crap about a players game or call anyone out to play. All her posts on this forum has been positive and people still need to talk crap. And people wonder why there are so little number of the players that we follow post here. She loves to play pool and if you got a problem with what she is doing then don't give her any attention. All your posts are just growing her popularity. Hate her or love her, if you are thinking about her than shes doing something right.

I do not know about the other haters on here but Cleary maybe you are just jealous because you have been in the middle of this 1 pack for 5 years on your home table and the best you can do now is make t shirts that ask for weight which you already got plenty of.

Wow - that about sums it up. Cleary I think you have no choice at this point but to challenge Borana to a race to 50 in 9 ball for half of your new company SPOT sportwears. My friend the above post has put you between a rock and a hard place. GET THE CASH - SPOT+

 

[2.5 pack]

Wow - that about sums it up. Cleary I think you have no choice at this point but to challenge Borana to a race to 50 in 9 ball for half of your new company SPOT sportwears. My friend the above post has put you between a rock and a hard place. GET THE CASH - SPOT+

GMAC I don't know you but you a funny dude, but I am not trying to make Cleary go play Borana. I just want him to watch his mouth. If he is really trying to conduct a business than he should think twice before writing crap about players on a public forum. He has definitely lost my business and my recommendations to anyone. I am not sure if he is the only person that owns this clothing company but if there are other owners than they are getting affected by his comments.

 

[cleary]

I do not know about the other haters on here but Cleary maybe you are just jealous because you have been in the middle of this 1 pack for 5 years on your home table and the best you can do now is make t shirts that ask for weight which you already got plenty of.

I would like to know how Im hating? Just curious... She and I both know shes a much better player and thats fine by me. I don't take playing pool too serious, but sometimes I like to have fun and play a little.

A friend of mine told me I wouldn't have a chance against her WITH a spot... so I thought I would try to get what I need.

It actually sounds like YOU are the hater. By the way, who are you and why do you know so much about me?

 

[suprnva]

GMAC I don't know you but you a funny dude, but I am not trying to make Cleary go play Borana. I just want him to watch his mouth. If he is really trying to conduct a business than he should think twice before writing crap about players on a public forum. He has definitely lost my business and my recommendations to anyone. I am not sure if he is the only person that owns this clothing company but if there are other owners than they are getting affected by his comments.

It only took you 20 posts to show your ignorance. Good job!

Cleary never said anything bad about Borana or how she plays. He said that she plays above his speed and to compete with her he'd need some weight. If anything, he complimented her.

 

[cleary]

I just want him to watch his mouth. If he is really trying to conduct a business than he should think twice before writing crap about players on a public forum.

I just don't know where I crossed a line?? a 4-pack of ten ball is more than I will ever do. So it is, in fact, way too strong for me. Im not hating, Im telling it how it is. I wouldn't mind playing her, but shes way stronger than me.

So again, I don't think I said anything hurtful, mean or bad about her. Maybe you just took it wrong.

 

[cleary]

It only took you 20 posts to show your ignorance. Good job!

Cleary never said anything bad about Borana or how she plays. He said that she plays above his speed and to compete with her he'd need some weight. If anything, he complimented her.

Thank you. I wasn't even sure how my post could have been taking badly... IM so lost.

But 2.5 pack sure seem to know who I am. he/she knows the business I run, how bad I play and how fat I am. Im guessing a new yorker???

Not sure how I offended them, but its clear I did..

 

[suprnva]

But 2.5 pack sure seem to know who I am. he/she knows the business I run, how bad I play and how fat I am. Im guessing a new yorker???

 

[cleary]

Wow - that about sums it up. Cleary I think you have no choice at this point but to challenge Borana to a race to 50 in 9 ball for half of your new company SPOT sportwears. My friend the above post has put you between a rock and a hard place. GET THE CASH - SPOT+

Race to 50! I need a shower and foot rub after a race to 9!

 

[Scott Lee]

Personally I think that more attention NEEDS to be paid to the league players anAgreed!d their accomplishments.



I am pissed off EVERY YEAR when I see the hotdog eating contest on ESPN but I NEVER EVER EVER EVER see the national and international league finals in pool.

The APA 8ball finals were televised ONCE, in the early 90's (while I was an APA LO).

No one who has been on a high level league team will disagree that it's intense competition. I personally think that winning the open event at the BCA in Vegas is the hardest one to win because you have to not only get through hundreds of teams, you have to get by some real top talent as well. In the masters division you know you are up against top teams from the start but there are way fewer matches.

Agreed!

As to the orginal question of how good does Borana play and whether she should be in a B tournament or not.....if she is an ASPIRING pro then that means that she is NOT a pro and therefore she should be playing in all tournaments which she is allowed to in order to gain seasoning.

Absolutely! Lots of us have claimed to have run a few racks. Just because Borana did it ONCE, doesn't make her pro-speed.

The comment that she has done more for pool than anyone else is out line but the sentiment is clear. I personally think it's great that she and her teammates are getting attention. If that inspires more people to play and more content producers to get into pool then that's awesome. I don't think that anyone can deny that every little bit helps.

I didn't hear anyone saying that Borana or the KOD team have done more for pool than anyone else. They have garnered some billiard media attention (for winning the BCA tournament), nationally and locally. I agree that every little bit of positive media attention helps "the cause".

Anyone want to bet that I will disappointed again this year when the league finals aren't broadcast anywhere???

NO BET! LOL That said, if anyone can get something done, it is Mark Griffin! They have a new relationship with a well-known media streaming company. Maybe that can get worked into the BCAPL finals too!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Thank you. I wasn't even sure how my post could have been taking badly... IM so lost.

But 2.5 pack sure seem to know who I am. he/she knows the business I run, how bad I play and how fat I am. Im guessing a new yorker???

Not sure how I offended them, but its clear I did..

I didn't take anything in your posts to be negative cleary, actually I saw it as a humorous compliment. I think 2.5 pack just got wound up reading the thread and you were near by. Loosen up the garter belt a notch 2.5. J/K!!! :wink:

I think for the most part that this thread has been in pretty good taste (for AZB) with healthy discussion offering differeing viewpoints. Hell, anytime you get sjm, Jay, Hu, the smooth criminal and derek posting in a thread, it's a good day. Toss in the topic of an attractive lady player and sprinkle a little OMGWTF seasoning on top, and we're off to the races!

Press on mates.

 

[RShellhouse]

I didn't hear anyone saying that Borana or the KOD team have done more for pool than anyone else. They have garnered some billiard media attention (for winning the BCA tournament), nationally and locally. I agree that every little bit of positive media attention helps "the cause".

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Just a FYI

The team you are refering to Kiss of Death (KOD) has done more to promote the sport of Billairds in the past year than anyone else...period

R

 

[sunnyday]

I just don't know where I crossed a line?? a 4-pack of ten ball is more than I will ever do. So it is, in fact, way too strong for me. Im not hating, Im telling it how it is. I wouldn't mind playing her, but shes way stronger than me.

So again, I don't think I said anything hurtful, mean or bad about her. Maybe you just took it wrong.

cleary,

I wouldn't stress over what 2.5 pack says or think.... It seems taking things wrong comes to him naturally.

S.

 

[suprnva]

The team you are refering to Kiss of Death (KOD) has done more to promote the sport of Billairds in the past year than anyone else...period! Alison Fischer (The Other Alison) is a photographer and a driving force behind Jerry Tarantola and NYC Grind. Gail Glazebrook helps to run the Predator Tour with Tony Robles. Borana, Olga and Michele also contribute to the sport. Emily Duddy is a WPA card carrying member. They are in love with the sport and my hat is off to them for their promotional efforts and all the time they dedicate to it!!!

There's the entire post Scott.

After he said this I mentioned Mark, the TAR crew, Shannon Daulton, Jay Helfert and Greg Sullivan as some of the people that do the most for pool and Wedge responded with this gem...

Yep, I must have missed the copy of the Billiard Magazine the had either TAR, Mark, Greg, Shannon, or Jay on it! This goes back to the promotional aspect of growing our sport. Go ask non pool playing people you work with who Jasmine Oushan or Ga Young Kim are...none will know. Now ask them if they ever heard of the Black Widow...I'll bet some have. These players, some of which I have personally met and I consider good friends are working tirelessly not only to promote themselves but our sport in general.

My last post...have to get up at 3:30am.......be well!!!

So, according to Wedge and all his wisdom, hosting tournaments, streaming matches, running league, designing tables, and everything else that group of guys does means nothing since they haven't been on the cover of a magazine.