i saw gabe owen play the 12 ball ghost in rusty's in arlington tx. watched him for over 1 1/2 hrs and he was even. had to go wife kept calling. awesome playing.
what is the best gambling match you have ever seen?
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Southpaw said:
Southpaw,
Congratulations. This is the single WORST post I've ever seen in 4 years here.
Your post is filled with gross overstatements, and is designed only to cause trouble. Have you read NOTHING Grady has posted???? There is no poster on the board that could express himself any more honestly than Grady. He has provided us with a wealth of information we could never have had. He DOES give credit where credit is due; and none where it is not due. That's quite refreshing to the majority of reasonable forum members.
There are LOTS of people who will agree with his views on the state of the modern game. It's not whining and complaining if it is true, and if it is truly how you feel (I feel the same). We APPRECIATE Grady sharing his opinions. You don't have to agree, but you don't need to denigrate (I suspect the vast majority of posters here will think less of you as a result).
In regards to Buddy and Efren - he was there, you weren't. He's reliable, you're anonymous. If you would actually take time to read Buddy Hall's biography, you will find copious mention of Buddy Hall's complete aversion to losing or taking a beating - it is nothing that Grady invented, and it is well known. There is ample evidence that Efren will quit a bad game in a heartbeat. It takes nothing away from the accomplishments of Buddy or Efren.
Southpaw said:
Paw-man,
He saw the Grady Mathews - Bucktooth match (close-up), and just set the record straight after RickW mentioned the match.
What is the best gambling match you have ever seen?
This message is for who ever cares to listen. I am knew to this forum and for this reason my thoughts might not be of interest to many of you. Nevertheless, I would like to mention the following:
1) The Az Billiards Forum appears to me to be an open forum for all to participate in for their own interests and enjoyment.
2) For the most part, these discussions are open, honest, respectfull, and contribute to our knowledge of this great game, the industry itself, and its history. I am of the opinion that this is the sole purpose of having the forum.
3) It appears that from time to time a few people (emphasis on "only a few") get carried away when someone does not agree with their opinions, or, in the alternative, they themselves don't agree with the opinions of others. Perhaps they did not read the post carefully. Maybe they read between the lines something that should never have been considered. Maybe the person posting did not make their point quite clear enough or, God forbid, used one wrong word in the wrong spot. Whatever it may have been, they become offended at something said (or not said) in a post.
This message is for who ever cares to listen. I am knew to this forum and for this reason my thoughts might not be of interest to many of you. Nevertheless, I would like to mention the following:
1) The Az Billiards Forum appears to me to be an open forum for all to participate in for their own interests and enjoyment.
2) For the most part, these discussions are open, honest, respectfull, and contribute to our knowledge of this great game, the industry itself, and its history. I am of the opinion that this is the sole purpose of having the forum.
3) It appears that from time to time a few people (emphasis on "only a few") get carried away when someone does not agree with their opinions, or, in the alternative, they themselves don't agree with the opinions of others. Perhaps they did not read the post carefully. Maybe they read between the lines something that should never have been considered. Maybe the person posting did not make their point quite clear enough or, God forbid, used one wrong word in the wrong spot. Whatever it may have been, they become offended at something said (or not said) in a post.
What is the best gambling match you have ever seen?
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4) This is all normal stuff that we all deal with in our everday lives. We all have misunderstandings and disagreements (both personal and in business). I believe that a persons true character can be seen in how they choose to deal with these situations.
5) Again, this is just my opinion. If some one submits a post that you do not agree with, first decide whether you really want to submit a reply or not. If you do, then do it in as clear and respectfull way as you can, and thirdly, be prepared for the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you. If after several or even many exchanges there is still no agreement, be prepared to respectfully disagree and leave it at that. Move on to better things.
6) Lastly and with regard to Grady Mathews I would say the following: I met him for the first time this year at Derby City. This man did not know me from the man in the moon and yet he went out of his way to make me feel welcome and part of all that was going on. I will never forget the hospitality and kindness that he showed to me. I hope most all will agree that this speaks well of Grady the man and his character.
(continuation from previous post)
4) This is all normal stuff that we all deal with in our everday lives. We all have misunderstandings and disagreements (both personal and in business). I believe that a persons true character can be seen in how they choose to deal with these situations.
5) Again, this is just my opinion. If some one submits a post that you do not agree with, first decide whether you really want to submit a reply or not. If you do, then do it in as clear and respectfull way as you can, and thirdly, be prepared for the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you. If after several or even many exchanges there is still no agreement, be prepared to respectfully disagree and leave it at that. Move on to better things.
6) Lastly and with regard to Grady Mathews I would say the following: I met him for the first time this year at Derby City. This man did not know me from the man in the moon and yet he went out of his way to make me feel welcome and part of all that was going on. I will never forget the hospitality and kindness that he showed to me. I hope most all will agree that this speaks well of Grady the man and his character.
joncueist said:
Like I said previously, I think Grady deserves the utmost respect and recognition for evolving the great game of one pocket into what it is today. He is a great promotor and tournament director. I was involved in an incident with him a few years back (that I will not go into in this thread) that left a very bad taste as to his professionalism and his credibility when gambling. And then to hear him make references to other players egos or gambling habits just doesnt sit well with me. Its only my opinion.....That is all I have to say on this topic.
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Maybe we could get this thread back on topic, whataya think guys?
Anyways, one of the better gamblin matches of recent times has to be the Pagulayan vs Schmidt straight pool match at the DCC, I wasn't there to witness it or anything but from the stories I've heard and from talking to people who were luck enough to be there to witness it it has to be one of the greats. I believe Williebetmore mentioned he was keeping score for the match? Does anyone remember or know how much they were playing for?
Anyways, one of the better gamblin matches of recent times has to be the Pagulayan vs Schmidt straight pool match at the DCC, I wasn't there to witness it or anything but from the stories I've heard and from talking to people who were luck enough to be there to witness it it has to be one of the greats. I believe Williebetmore mentioned he was keeping score for the match? Does anyone remember or know how much they were playing for?
Southpaw said:
Southpaw, Grady is a big boy and capable of taking care of the argument, however......
This is exactly the sort of finger pointing I want curbed.
All this can do is create problems.
Dave
ILuvChickens
Banned
I once saw Grady run 3 balls on an episode of Sanford and Son. Truly Impressive.
sniper said:
Snipe-man,
I heard it was for 4 grand (I'm guessing 2K apiece), but I don't know for sure - there was a LARGE wad of bills on the light. I have no idea if they were staked; they sure played hard for it though.
And by the way, it was NOT "one of the greats" - it was the GREATEST MATCH I'VE EVER SEEN. Final score after 5 1/2 hours Pagulayan 300, Schmidt 298. I'm not home for a week or so, but I do have a long write-up on the match that I could post when I get a chance; it was classic.
Second best match was a short 9-ball race between Big Arm John and Jeanette Lee. Lots of woofing from JL (they are friends). After BAJ broke without making a ball, Jeanette said, "You broke those like a little girl" (his arms are the size of my waist). The last 10 games of the match no one missed a ball. JL is down 3 games at one point, but runs 3 in a row to get even. At hill-hill BAJ made the one ball on the break, but had no shot on the two. He pushed out to a long jump shot. JL looks at the layout (tough as nails, 2 clusters to break apart) and says, "Hmmmm, thats just too easy to pass up." She jumps the obstructing ball, pocketing the 2. She then makes a ball or two and breaks a cluster (good insurance ball position), makes another and breaks the last cluster. Makes an 8 foot, razor thin cut on the 8, coming another 8 feet back for position on the 9 - set over. Now if it had been an arm-wrestling match she would have been in serious trouble.
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i was wondering what the great williebetmore had to say on the greatest gambling ever. im sure you have hundreds of storiesWilliebetmore said:
Southpaw said:
SP,
Well said. The moderators are never going to allow this to be a place to fight, or re-hash old grievances (to the benefit of all of us).
I've noticed in many of your previous posts that you have seen some great action - we all hope you will continue to share.
Doesn't look like I'm going to get the opportunity to be subtle.
This will not spin further out of control.
Seriously, chill the attitudes.
Dave
This will not spin further out of control.
Seriously, chill the attitudes.
Dave
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