If you can STAY IN LINE, you don't need a lot of spin, if any.
What Percentage Of Shots Do You Spin?
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Yeah, same here, 1P 100% spin. :wink:
If you understand angles, the need to use side spin goes down. If I get the right angle on the shot, i can get position without the use of side spin.
When the angle is not right, I use side spin to get position. Seldom do I use side spin to make a ball but more for position.
When the angle is not right, I use side spin to get position. Seldom do I use side spin to make a ball but more for position.
Nice Assessment of Spin
I see something here Ive had an encounter with personally. I used to not know how I did anything I did. So I came back to pool is 2005 played and I realized I wasnt very consistent so I took a lesson from a man. So I go for the lesson and Ive got myself all primed up to perform at a high level. The man intentionally misses a shot in the first 3 racks to see what I would do with the table. I get out all 3 racks and I spin the ball but I dont know how I do it, its almost as if I will the ball to go and it does.
He says you know you dont play half bad, what did you want me to teach you? I told him I had days I couldnt do anything, I just wasnt consistent. So then he says ok cue this up high right and fire it in the corner and I couldnt.
I got setup on the ball and ready to play with high right and he kept saying no..High Right and he made me use Parallel English and I couldnt but I just got done spinning my way through 3 racks.
A lot of people use English 1 tip of center or less and a lot of them put the English on at the last stroke of the ball. They have trained their aiming mechanism to allow for this and they dont know how they do what they do but honestly if they did, they need to train some people how to do it because they have something that few aspire to.
I see something here Ive had an encounter with personally. I used to not know how I did anything I did. So I came back to pool is 2005 played and I realized I wasnt very consistent so I took a lesson from a man. So I go for the lesson and Ive got myself all primed up to perform at a high level. The man intentionally misses a shot in the first 3 racks to see what I would do with the table. I get out all 3 racks and I spin the ball but I dont know how I do it, its almost as if I will the ball to go and it does.
He says you know you dont play half bad, what did you want me to teach you? I told him I had days I couldnt do anything, I just wasnt consistent. So then he says ok cue this up high right and fire it in the corner and I couldnt.
I got setup on the ball and ready to play with high right and he kept saying no..High Right and he made me use Parallel English and I couldnt but I just got done spinning my way through 3 racks.
A lot of people use English 1 tip of center or less and a lot of them put the English on at the last stroke of the ball. They have trained their aiming mechanism to allow for this and they dont know how they do what they do but honestly if they did, they need to train some people how to do it because they have something that few aspire to.
Thank you for this. Like my Dad said, "If you can control that white SOB and get good position o"n the right side of the next shots, you very rarely need inside or outside English...maybe on 5% in 14.1 and 10% in rotation games. Of course you might need a 1/4 tip of running on a lot of shots...but no more than that. Johnnyt
Ditto. I always try not to impart any spin to the ball but I'm aware that sometimes I do without meaning too. I heard this about Buddy Hall years and years ago.
I played Buddy three times in the 1980's, once I didn't know who he was. I've also watched him in tournaments and in action when he lived in the Tampa area. He was house pro at Planet 9 Ball in Oldsmar, FL for about a year also. I never cared for him myself, but he could control that CB and looked effortless with that smooth stroke of his. He hardly ever spun the CB. Johnnyt
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The reason I said "I used to spin everything" is because I rarely play pool anymore (The last time I hit a ball was 9-10 months ago).. So let me rephrase..
I don't always play pool, but when I do I prefer to spin, or throw the %#$& out of every ball!
The reason I said "I used to spin everything" is because I rarely play pool anymore (The last time I hit a ball was 9-10 months ago).. So let me rephrase..
I don't always play pool, but when I do I prefer to spin, or throw the %#$& out of every ball!
Corey Deuel came over to my house to give me a lesson, and I asked him this exact question. He replied "100%."
Yesterday I watched a recent Shaw / Deschaine 10-ball match with Earl commentating, and Earl said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xslBxUt3OI#t=1264 (spin discussion starts at 21:04)
Personally, I find center pocket more consistently with a bit of outside English, particularly on sketchy/dirty equipment, stun shots, or thick-angle follow shots which are all more prone to skid. Since I use BHE at my cue's pivot point, it's easy to add a touch of whatever after aligning for center pocket on the vertical axis.
-Ron
Yesterday I watched a recent Shaw / Deschaine 10-ball match with Earl commentating, and Earl said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xslBxUt3OI#t=1264 (spin discussion starts at 21:04)
Personally, I find center pocket more consistently with a bit of outside English, particularly on sketchy/dirty equipment, stun shots, or thick-angle follow shots which are all more prone to skid. Since I use BHE at my cue's pivot point, it's easy to add a touch of whatever after aligning for center pocket on the vertical axis.
-Ron
that's just not true...
The real truth is that it is perfectly possible to play at a super high level without using a lot of side spin.
The other truth is that once you can confidently use spin on any shot it completely changes the game.
Angle changes, minute controls, multi rail soft shots letting spin change the rebound angles, bank changes through spin transfer.
The entire game changes.
Jaden
The real truth is that it is perfectly possible to play at a super high level without using a lot of side spin.
The other truth is that once you can confidently use spin on any shot it completely changes the game.
Angle changes, minute controls, multi rail soft shots letting spin change the rebound angles, bank changes through spin transfer.
The entire game changes.
Jaden
I will spare the rail any diatribe relating to the inescapable nature of all that is in varying grades of perfection.
I play a good deal of one pocket and find... once considered, that I will intentionally apply English at a rate of 20% on average. Additionally, my estimates run upwards of 40% when the question is applied to 9 ball.
Regards,
Glad you wrote this. I've seen Buddy play dozens upon dozens of real world matches. He is by far one of the most spinningest players that ever lived, going as far as I've seen anyone go off center ( as do Earl, Nick, and every real top player).
Freddie <~~~ 110% spin
100%...because I can try to hit center ball, but I don't. I doubt anybody here hits perfect center ball, you're bound to be a tiny fraction off. That imparts spin, also nearly impossible to measure, but it's there.
I guess what I'm trying to say it that everybody has some spin on every shot because it's impossible to hit perfect center ball.
I guess what I'm trying to say it that everybody has some spin on every shot because it's impossible to hit perfect center ball.
I go along with this. Nobody hits 100% of the time, but I'm not talking about making aircraft parts at .00001 tolerance. I'm talking about frigging pool. It's got so to write anything on here you need a video, a lawyer, and at least two experts in the field your talking about. I can see not agreeing with a way to shoot pool, because there are at least two ways to a dozen ways to do the same thing and get the same results. Why does every thread have to be nit picked to the point the OP looks like he or she lied. Johnnyt
Too many...
I have no idea, it depends on the shot and the position route I need to follow.
Exactly. I spin almost everything. TOO, TOI, STOO, STOI.