What Really Happened With Earl at SBE

Maniac, I don't know the answer to your question. All I can say is that if he has a pathological problem I am truly sorry for him, but every single player in a tournament is entitled to a match without being intentionally sharked. Earl's outbursts are intentional in that he doesn't care if someone's play is affected or not by his outbursts. I think it's time to stop making excuses for him and to ask him to either find a way to control his behavior or not compete in organized tournaments.

I don't know him well enough to know if this applies to him but I know a few people in our industry who I feel meet the criteria of this mental disorder. There are 9 criteria and 5 of the 9 must be met in order for the diagnosis to be positive. Google it. You may find it very interesting:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder


Fran,

Your comments on here are greatly appreciated as they shed some light on how long this behavior by Earl has been going on. I am very curious if you know yourself or know someone who can actually pinpoint when this behavior actually started showing up at pool tournaments or other facets in his life. I remember the little, skinny, long-haired Earl that use to hang with the Rempe, Sigel, Hall, Hopkins, etc. crowd but I don't remember the antics that we see in him today. Did this start in his teens years? 20's? 30's? Maybe there was a stressor in his life that caused him to start exhibiting these behavioral signs. I don't know. It would be nice if people "in the know" could shed further light onto this subject so that we may be better able to understand him and his problems. It's truly a sad story.

I hope he overcomes whatever it is he needs to overcome.

Maniac
 
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Maniac, I don't know the answer to your question. All I can say is that if he has a pathological problem I am truly sorry for him, but every single player in a tournament is entitled to a match without being intentionally sharked. Earl's outbursts are intentional in that he doesn't care if someone's play is affected or not by his outbursts. I think it's time to stop making excuses for him and to ask him to either find a way to control his behavior or not compete in organized tournaments.

Agreed 100%.

Maniac
 
Fine post KC

And the pictures were great also.
We needed your insight on this situation.

Talked to Alex for quite a while on 03/13.
Will post his view point later today.

regards
pt..<...who hopes you did well in your division
 
Don't know what happened over the years. Seemed like a gentleman back in the day...

1995 Sands Regency Open (watch Earl's demeanor, particularly after Efren makes the eight)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxZtYALqIrE

Derby City interview with Samm Diep. Seems fairly happy here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COKcWhCABlM

2011 Derby City Classic One Pocket Finals...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvVVWGi5ZVk

After losing his One Pocket match to Shane (right around the five minute mark from the One Pocket finals match above)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezP6Zl3N3A

Nowadays, he just comes across like a sore loser to me...
 
Don't know what happened over the years. Seemed like a gentleman back in the day...

1995 Sands Regency Open (watch Earl's demeanor, particularly after Efren makes the eight)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxZtYALqIrE


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From what I've seen I have a personal belief that Efren Reyes was Earls downfall. When the American public started taking to Efren, coupled with the fact that Earl could no longer beat Efren for the cheese, it just seemed like the beginning of Earls descent into where he is today. He always thought Efren was lucky, and said so aloud on many occasions. It seemed to snowball from there, trickling into other players that he found a disdain for. Then there were the changes to the game itself (i.e. jump cues, soft breaks) that would cause him to go off. He complained one time that the venue he was playing in didn't have carpet under the tables for the players to walk around on. He called that disrespectful IIRC.

But it just seems to me that when Efren became a prominent pool figure in America is when the wheels began to fall off.

Maniac
 
I've been an Earl fan since meeting him at a local tournament, and he was a complete gentleman. However, after reading this detailed account, and hearing Frank Delpizo's (the tournament director) own comments on the situation on the InsidePool live stream, I fully support his decision to give Earl what he obviously deserved. I will add that Frank said that Earl had called him a fool and a clown to his face in addition to all else.

The behavior described in the op certainly does sound like a possible mental condition to me. I can only hope that this legend of the game receives some help, but those who are sick are usually the last to realize it.
 
And the pictures were great also.
We needed your insight on this situation.

Talked to Alex for quite a while on 03/13.
Will post his view point later today.

regards
pt..<...who hopes you did well in your division

thanks, pt.

looking forward to hearing Alex's take. I had a very brief conversation with him the next day and he said he felt bad and reiterated that he just wanted to play pool.

I told him that I admired how he kept his composure under such circumstances.

As for how I did in my division, I did good, but maybe not how you think. I'll clarify how I did good if I ever finish and post on my general sbe experience. ;)

Best,
Brian kc
 
Not defending Earl, but...

I don't post very often, and only when a topic really sparks my interest. This one has lured me in.
What I'm curious about is the TD's account of the story. I was there when Earl got kicked out but was too far to hear what was actually said. I guess what I don't understand is this... Frank talks about all the rude and disruptive things that Earl was doing but the reason he kicks him out is when Earl says "You have to call him?". THAT was the reason? All the other things he said or did were forgivable, but because Earl asked THAT question he was kicked out? Am I the only person that finds this strange?
I'm definitely not defending Earl but I am however questioning Frank's decision making.

And now that I'm on the topic. Who is this guy? A comedian, really? This is who we have to run a professional pool event. If he was just a host or announcer maybe I would understand. But a tournament director, that's a joke. Does he even play pool? What qualifies him to make pool-related decisions whether it be about the rack or hit calls? This guy was no very professional and if anything he was a distraction. After he kicked Earl out, he gets on the mic to explain the situation to everyone, which took over 5 minutes, while there are matches in progress? I don't know, maybe I'm crazy but it seemed to me that this guy was abusing his position during the event while also doing some self-promoting.
 
Dschlemp;

You are not alone in your feelings that this TD is a little full of himself in how he conducts biz at sbe.

Frank the TD did mention on the insidepooltv stream, however, that Earl called him a clown and a fool to his face, so Earl's questioning why his opponent was called may simply have been the proverbial, last straw.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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I did hear about that actually. Which I thought was kind of funny because he does remind me of a clown.

I guess if he got kicked out for doing that I would understand it more. But in his interview, Frank said that he kicked Earl out for asking him that question which just makes no sense to me.
 
I just read the Inside Pool article where the ref gave his side of the story. Here's the link.

http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201103/billiard-news/billiards-referee-tells-his-side-of-story.html

A couple of things I found interesting. One, he said that when Earl first said Alex's rack was sideways, he went over to check and he found that it was sideways. So that in itself was not Earl sharking. Secondly, he explained the disqualification, as to when he did it, as he had given Earl several previous warnings, including a final warning. Apparently the point he decided to throw earl out was when he just reached a point where he was fed up.
 
Look at all these intelligent pool players talking about another pool players mental stability.
 
Frank the TD did mention on the insidepooltv stream, however, that Earl called him a clown to his face, so Earl's questioning why his opponent was called may simply have been the proverbial, last straw.

But.....he's a real-life comedian, so technically he IS a clown ;):grin::grin::grin:!!!

Maniac
 
Look at all these intelligent pool players talking about another pool players mental stability.

Oh, the irony. Why not just kick yourself in the face and have a good laugh? :thumbup:

Earl's a jerkoff.

He can pay me $20 to get in a picture with him. Anybody can be a ***** and do something well, but takes a big boy to do it well with class(or at least respectfully).
 
Frank the TD did mention on the insidepooltv stream, however, that Earl called him a clown and a fool to his face, so Earl's questioning why his opponent was called may simply have been the proverbial, last straw.

IMO, Earl calling Frank a fool and a clown is - itself - a BS reason for tossing a player from a tourney. Especially if the "insults" were said BETWEEN and/or BEFORE matches. The TD had a legitimate, easily defensible reason after the stick smashing incident, but he chose to pass on it.

I was sitting close behind table 3 during the Earl/Alex match. I remember distinctly how the TD was directly CONFRONTATIONAL when Earl first said he "didn't need to be there." The TD was clearly annoyed and aggressive in asking Earl to assert his offhanded comment to forfeit his match. Earl retracted his comment and continued to shoot. (IIRC, He made a pretty solid cross table side bank after all the hoopla.)

The crowd applauded the confrontation. At the time, I was unsure whether it was at the spectacle, at the TD, or at Earl's decision to continue on and make the bank. Regardless, the applause felt inappropriate. It really put an unnecessary exclamation point on the confrontation.

IIRC, the race to 10 was pretty close at that point. Might have even been 7-8 or 8-8. The TDs decision to stir up the pot with a tight match on the line was pretty selfish.

Three other things that I noticed:

1) At one point, Alex accidentally dropped and kicked his chalk toward a sitting Earl. Clearly, accidental; but probably added fuel to his fire.

2) Archer and Williams were enjoying the spectacle from table 4 while warming up.

3) A few games from the end of the match, Earl was having trouble racking with the Diamond rack. His attempts to get the attention of the TD were ignored. I think the TD was out of the room. After fiddling with it for 5 minutes, Earl got the rack right, buy he was clearly agitated. As fate would have it, things got worse. Earl scratched on the break and gave Alex a shot at the table for a runout. Stevie Moore also had a lot of trouble with the same rack in the next match on table 3.

I admit I attended that session in the hopes of seeing some off-the-table action, but had no idea that it would turn out so controversially.
 
Fran,

Your comments on here are greatly appreciated as they shed some light on how long this behavior by Earl has been going on. I am very curious if you know yourself or know someone who can actually pinpoint when this behavior actually started showing up at pool tournaments or other facets in his life. I remember the little, skinny, long-haired Earl that use to hang with the Rempe, Sigel, Hall, Hopkins, etc. crowd but I don't remember the antics that we see in him today. Did this start in his teens years? 20's? 30's? Maybe there was a stressor in his life that caused him to start exhibiting these behavioral signs. I don't know. It would be nice if people "in the know" could shed further light onto this subject so that we may be better able to understand him and his problems. It's truly a sad story.

I hope he overcomes whatever it is he needs to overcome.

Maniac


I'm a huge fan of Earl & have been since the 1980's. Here's my take on what's happened to cause so many of his outbursts....

Used to be that just about everybody in any audience that watched Earl play would watch almost in awe of him. Watch some of the very early matches & you constantly here people yelling FOR Earl. "Go Earl!", "get him Earl!", "great shot Earl!" on & on.

But after 2002, when he won his last of 6 World 9 Ball Championships, his play, for whatever reason, wasn't as sharp or steady as it had been for years. And this clearly bothered Earl. And he mumbled at himself or showed demonstrative actions at and away from the table. And slowly at first, a man in the crowd would say something disrespectful to Earl. And Earl had never heard that kind of heckling directed at him before. Then it wasn't just one or two hecklers every once in a while, it was hecklers just watching & waiting for any chance to rag on him. And the longer he went without winning a major, and the worse his play got, and the more he acted up out of frustration, the more people took pot shots at him TO SEE HIM ACT OUT. And all of a sudden, Earl went into tournaments EXPECTING to be in a war of words with the fans.

He was once revered & highly respected, our most decorated tournament winner of all time. And slowly over the years, some of the fans saw that he gave a heated reacation to their barbs, so they kept on with the jabs, hoping to get a reaction out of him. And then, when Earl would yell something back, instead of that shutting that person up, it added fuel to some fans fire. And a vicious cycle was created....

Earl is one of my all-time favorite players, right up there with Lassiter. But it's getting harder & harder to defend him because he sometimes acts out towards innocent fans or, maybe even worse, some of HIS own fans. Earl has always been exceptionally friendly & polite to me. He has even THANKED me for being a fan! He is an amazing person if he likes you, because he is so in love with the sport and really wanted pool to be as big as golf is in his life time. Or while he was in his prime. But pool never got that big, and Earl's glory days are part of pooldoms history now.

He was once a pool icon, now, some fans know how to push his buttons. And Earl is expecting that, so he's a "tea-pot almost ready to whistle" at any given moment.

One more thing....watch some of the matches where Earl wins the whole tournament. During the check & trophy presentation, Earl is THE epitomy of politeness & professionalism when thanking the sponsors and everyone else involved in the tournament. He represented pool in such a remarkably professional manner. It was obvious he was trying to bring the sport up a notch in the public's eye. He really wanted pool to end up a big time sport.
That it didn't was another huge diappointment for him. And he got even more frustrated that even his best efforts weren't enough to bring pool into the big time.
 
Here is the problem. Earl has tiger blood.

All jokes aside, I do have a bi-polar son and what I have seen and read about Earl just does not fit in with that diagnosis. It must be something else and I would have to lean towards maybe a slight form of narcissism. Except instead of fearing shame, It could be a fear of losing. Just my guess.
 
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