What tips do you use??

The tip I keep going back to is the Ultra Skin Pro. I did recently get a Zan Hybrid Max to try out but don't know I'll give it a go
 
I played with Moori Mediums but had so much problems with the quality so I changed to Kamui Black Medium. This tip played very goog but when you are playing longer with one tip it begins to harden to much and there is to much glazing. I am playing now with Ultraskin Medium and I am happy with it.
 
measureman said:
Ernie Martinez says a Ki Tech and a Triangle cut and smell the same when trimming?
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Because they're the same tip. They're just treated with something. A KT soft is an Elk with camel urine in it. A medium is a Triangle with camel urine. A hard is a Le Pro with camel urine. I kid about what they're soaked in. But the "base" for the tips are 100% as described above.

A milk dud is pretty much just a pressed elkmaster. The milk just acts as a mild glue to fill the gaps and allows the leather to firm up a little. A good Triangle will play fantastic. Press them to break them in a little more. Elks are chromium tanned leather. Le Pros are vegetable tanned leather. Triangles are tanned twice. Same leather as the elk, but chrome tanned, and vegetable tanned. Makes for a great playing tip. A lot of custom makers use Triangles as their standard tip.
 
I had really great results with Muellers Dudley Tips on my Fisher cue. They shoot really well.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Because they're the same tip. They're just treated with something. A KT soft is an Elk with camel urine in it. A medium is a Triangle with camel urine. A hard is a Le Pro with camel urine. I kid about what they're soaked in. But the "base" for the tips are 100% as described above.

A milk dud is pretty much just a pressed elkmaster. The milk just acts as a mild glue to fill the gaps and allows the leather to firm up a little. A good Triangle will play fantastic. Press them to break them in a little more. Elks are chromium tanned leather. Le Pros are vegetable tanned leather. Triangles are tanned twice. Same leather as the elk, but chrome tanned, and vegetable tanned. Makes for a great playing tip. A lot of custom makers use Triangles as their standard tip.
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Can you clarify the highlighted above? I mean are you saying they buy Elkmaster/LePro/Triangle tips and just do additional processes? Or are you saying they use the same base leather (water buffalo hide) and respective tanning processes (chrom/veg/chrome+veg), but that Ki-Tech have their own leather selection process and leather tanning, press process and controls?

Freddie <~~~ hmmm...
 
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Because they're the same tip. They're just treated with something. A KT soft is an Elk with camel urine in it. A medium is a Triangle with camel urine. A hard is a Le Pro with camel urine. I kid about what they're soaked in. But the "base" for the tips are 100% as described above.

A milk dud is pretty much just a pressed elkmaster. The milk just acts as a mild glue to fill the gaps and allows the leather to firm up a little. A good Triangle will play fantastic. Press them to break them in a little more. Elks are chromium tanned leather. Le Pros are vegetable tanned leather. Triangles are tanned twice. Same leather as the elk, but chrome tanned, and vegetable tanned. Makes for a great playing tip. A lot of custom makers use Triangles as their standard tip.
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There are generally 4 types of leather used in single layered.... Mineral Tanned Cow, Chrome Tanned Cow, Veg Tanned Cow and Veg Tanned WB...

After that it's all about chemistry and processing... Our medium and medium soft are both Chrome Tanned which most people see and think Triangle... Correct in the leather type incorrect in the tip... Our M/S is a 60 where the Triangle is a 76 and it will stay down at 60 simply because we fat liquor the leather and then stabilize it there so it will remain as a medium soft.... Our Medium is a 70 and has a higher COR than the Triangle at 76... Modern chemistry is amazing.. The medium soft came from testing a precipitate theory to make a chalkless tip it works without chalk as long as you are a tip tip 1/2 from center so more work will follow.

Up until WW2 we still had leather chemists and research is still being done to this day on how to improve resilience, elasticity and durability in leather goods... You type in leather fat liquoring into google or improving elasticity in leather.. Either of those will tell you 100% how far off the assumption is that they are the same...

Will be returning to facebook at this point... Freddy owes me a beer for dragging me back to AZ to address what I assume to be just bad information and not intent.....
 
The Renfro said:
There are generally 4 types of leather used in single layered.... Mineral Tanned Cow, Chrome Tanned Cow, Veg Tanned Cow and Veg Tanned WB...

After that it's all about chemistry and processing... Our medium and medium soft are both Chrome Tanned which most people see and think Triangle... Correct in the leather type incorrect in the tip... Our M/S is a 60 where the Triangle is a 76 and it will stay down at 60 simply because we fat liquor the leather and then stabilize it there so it will remain as a medium soft.... Our Medium is a 70 and has a higher COR than the Triangle at 76... Modern chemistry is amazing.. The medium soft came from testing a precipitate theory to make a chalkless tip it works without chalk as long as you are a tip tip 1/2 from center so more work will follow.

Up until WW2 we still had leather chemists and research is still being done to this day on how to improve resilience, elasticity and durability in leather goods... You type in leather fat liquoring into google or improving elasticity in leather.. Either of those will tell you 100% how far off the assumption is that they are the same...

Will be returning to facebook at this point... Freddy owes me a beer for dragging me back to AZ to address what I assume to be just bad information and not intent.....
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Blah, blah, blah.

Which tips do you use as your "blanks" for your tips? Having engaged with you before on this, and you pretty much admitting it, your soft is a modified Elk, your medium is a modified Triangle. And your hard tip is a modified Le Pro. Correct? I've cut and sanded pretty much every single piece tip on the market. Yours cut exactly like the three I just mentioned.
 
The tip on my current favorite shaft (made it myself to fit a Schon butt) is a HH Ultraskin,but generally I get the best results with a one piece Water Buffalo,something VERY similar to what comes on a new Schon shaft.

A LOT of people have complained to me that WB are too hard for them,either when on new Schons or a lot of import cues right out of the box.

I'm on the other side of the fence,the harder the better to an extent.

This is why I made an effort to secure a small quantity of Sumos,my fave tip EVER other than the mid 90's Moori H I got 3 years worth of play out of when I was still playing close to 50 hours a week even with a full-time job :wink:.

The customer base in my area for the most part will not pay the going rates repairmen get for Kamui,G2,etc in bigger,more sophisticated areas so I just can't keep them in stock,so I recommend what I believe is the dead-level equivalent,the Ultraskins. Tommy D.
 
G2 soft, I've always used triangle till I bought my newest cue and it came with the G2 and I'll be playing with these from now on
 
2twoball said:
Are you from the same part of Tennessee where they're made? I go to Knoxville from here in B'ham fairly often, does he have a shop to visit? Seems I've tried/failed to make contact !!!
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I just ordered more from his web site. It was hard to find the correct section from which to order so I just clicked on the "installer" option and then ordered. PM me if you need help.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I just ordered more from his web site. It was hard to find the correct section from which to order so I just clicked on the "installer" option and then ordered. PM me if you need help.
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Was talking to a friend about this, he has one on a shaft he's gonna let me use for a week or 2, thanks !!!
 
I've played with Le Pros, PoolDawg8's milkduds, Snipers, moori mediums, Everest, and ultra skins, but the tip I'm currently using bests them all and it is a G2 medium.

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Shawn....

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If you would like to bet about them even being close to the same I will own your house, car and future.... Pick an event we are at and I will get a box delivered on my dime from Tweeten.... You have 50 shots at one matching up on hardness, COR and Spring rate.. Tips are nothing but springs just as an FYI. LOL.. I can't teach you chemistry, I cannot teach leather but I can teach you about running your holster just because it is empty...... Stick to "fries with that?".... Tell me what event and how much you can earn by then and bet..... That simple... No bet no response required....
 
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