Your opponent breaks and leaves you this.
Push? where to? jump? kick? explain thoughts
Thanks,
Chris
Push? where to? jump? kick? explain thoughts
Thanks,
Chris
What would YOU do here?
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First, I wanna say I really hate pushing. It's inherently a disadvantage since your opponent has choice but unfortunately, trying a jump shot here is a sell-out so pushing is your only option.
I would push to the location I show above. My reasoning is simple. I'm leaving him very long and tough. Any safety or shot made here will be earned. I thought about playing with the location of the 2-ball but I'm afraid I won't be able to tie anything up effectively so I figured it's not worth the risk.
Push out along the head string to about the 1st diamond (top) thereby challenging the opponent to a VERY tough cut into one of the foot corners and possibly scratching.
The 2 to 3 is my hedge since getting shape on the 3 is no picnic.
If I get the shot back I play a safety by banking the 1 straight toward the foot rail and back to the head rail leaving the CB behind the 4657 wall.
Regards,
Jim
The 2 to 3 is my hedge since getting shape on the 3 is no picnic.
If I get the shot back I play a safety by banking the 1 straight toward the foot rail and back to the head rail leaving the CB behind the 4657 wall.
Regards,
Jim
I think this push invites your opponent to take what looks to me like a free shot at the one with possible position on the two. Missing the one for him would may not be critical because of the three that will cut off the possible bank that he might leave on the one.
Pushing to that spot on the short rail like you suggest is fine but I would first relocate the two to insure that my opponent would not be tempted to try to make the one.
Pushing to that spot on the short rail like you suggest is fine but I would first relocate the two to insure that my opponent would not be tempted to try to make the one.
dabarbr said:
Well, there's no doubt you're going to leave SOMETHING to work with. I mean, it IS a push. If you don't leave anything, he's just going to pass it back to you. Your best bet is leave him with a shot that requires talent.
I would rather that he pass it back to me than for him to take the shot.Jude Rosenstock said:
I'm from the old school of push out and believe that a push out should only leave the option for a safety. Even a low level player will make this shot sometimes and that is too many for my liking.
I believe in waiting for a mistake from my opponent with their safety play.
dabarbr said:
Yeah, it's tough to say either way. Yes, if you're playing the hottest player on the planet, you may be forced to get your jump cue out and take a chance. If the guy is amateur, yeah I like my push.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I also thought of pushing the CB where you will have an off-angle jump shot...
Page 1 & 2 are two different 2-way shots (showing misses). The shots arenot high percentage, but not impossible either, let's just call them 50-50.
If I am lucky to make the 1 and have a shot on the 2. Page 3 is a possibility. Even if I bump into other balls or miss the position, I still have a chance to play a safety. Or I can just try to play a safety on the 2 ball as seen on page 4..
However, if you play the push-out, I'd let you shoot it and do the work. I will just sit back, relax, learn and maybe prepare to rack.
Edit: correction on page 1..
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Pushing to that spot on the short rail like you suggest is fine but I would first relocate the two to insure that my opponent would not be tempted to try to make the one.[/QUOTE]
Moving the two along with a head rail push is what I thought as well because if he chooses to shoot and happens to make the one, position on the two is likely with just speed alone.
Pushing to that spot on the short rail like you suggest is fine but I would first relocate the two to insure that my opponent would not be tempted to try to make the one.[/QUOTE]
Moving the two along with a head rail push is what I thought as well because if he chooses to shoot and happens to make the one, position on the two is likely with just speed alone.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I would pay $5 right now! to be able to see a match involving this layout, with Jude pushing, and leaving the shot to Frank (dabarbr). That would be some good pool.
-James
Edit: Frank, you and I made a cameo in the background of this picture from the Southwest Challenge. My teammate Roy is shooting and my roommate Jake is taking the pictures. They were both glad to meet you as well!
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pharaoh68
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Jude-
This is scaring me. Stop it. Agreeing twice is ridiculous. Agreeing twice in one day?!? I feel like I should play the lottery tonight because the stars must all be in line or something.
By pushing to this location, I would hope that:
A) my opponent will should and miss, leaving me something.
B) if he give me the shot, I would play the 1 thin on the left side sending it into the long rail. If youplay the CB with a little left and the right speed, you'll come off the short rail and hopefully behind the 4. Either way, even if your opponent has a look at the 1, he likely won't like the shot.
pharaoh68 said:
Obviously, you must be playing great pool now!
pharaoh68
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Jude Rosenstock said:Obviously, you must be playing great pool now!
Actually, I hardly play at all. Maybe once a week, which is pretty bad because I gotta play in the APA/CPA 9 ball Singles Championships in Vegas in two weeks.
I kinda like Wei's idea if he's my opponent because if he takes that shot, he could either
A) leave me a see at the 1 and a chance for a safe.
B) leave me a 1,9 and a chance for the win.
C) make it and leave himself a REALLY hard out.
pharaoh68 said:Actually, I hardly play at all. Maybe once a week, which is pretty bad because I gotta play in the APA/CPA 9 ball Singles Championships in Vegas in two weeks.
I kinda like Wei's idea if he's my opponent because if he takes that shot, he could either
A) leave me a see at the 1 and a chance for a safe.
B) leave me a 1,9 and a chance for the win.
C) make it and leave himself a REALLY hard out.
See, this leads to another discussion about pushing - it depends who you're playing. I know against someone like Mika Immonen (whom I regard as the greatest pocketer in the world), I probably fetch my jump cue. If it's against some guy in the poolroom, I think I take my chances with the push. I hate pushing so much for this reason and LOVE receiving a push all the same.
J
Jody C
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I would cut the 2 ball behind the 9 ball leaving the 2 ball safe and put the cue ball in front of the 9 ball over the ball and leave it as straight as possible. Just my thought
