I was hill/hill with the following shot. What would you have done. I'll post what I did in a while. (NOTE: the 8 does not go in the upper left pocket on the diagram.)
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Jim
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Jim
What Would You Have Done
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I would have hit the eight ball so that it would go directly to the rail and come back to where it started.
In the meantime, the cue hits the same rail at an angle and comes up behind the 9 for a safety.
In the meantime, the cue hits the same rail at an angle and comes up behind the 9 for a safety.
This is what I would have done. I wouldn't be so concerned about the cue ball as much as I would be in getting that 8 down to the rail. I'm not totally letting the CB go, but it's not my main focus. High inside keeps the 8 going straight up table and makes the CB die on the rail. Even if it hit the 9 I wouldn't be too shut out as long as I got that 8 on the end rail, which is something I have confidence in doing because I practice these types of safeties.
MULLY
By the way, this was a Nick Varner safety in a magazine many years ago so that's why I started practicing it.
MULLY
By the way, this was a Nick Varner safety in a magazine many years ago so that's why I started practicing it.
Krisz
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i find it quite hard to visualize the situation at the table...i feel the need to sit down on the right edge of the screen and look at it from there...;-)
it looks like hiding the cueball behind the 9 is too difficult (probable double hit), so there's no real safety available for me.
I'd like to try making the 9 and leaving the 8 on the headrail just in case...hard to tell from here, but i guess medium speed and a touch of right should work okay.
it looks like hiding the cueball behind the 9 is too difficult (probable double hit), so there's no real safety available for me.
I'd like to try making the 9 and leaving the 8 on the headrail just in case...hard to tell from here, but i guess medium speed and a touch of right should work okay.
Depends???
Depends on how tight the pockets are. If Ernesto did the tables I would duck, with the diagram above. If they are not, giving up the table here may be a mistake. I would consider the bank to the upper right pocket. I know you have been working on banks, and like your chances. The position on the nine is automatic.
jdsons
Depends on how tight the pockets are. If Ernesto did the tables I would duck, with the diagram above. If they are not, giving up the table here may be a mistake. I would consider the bank to the upper right pocket. I know you have been working on banks, and like your chances. The position on the nine is automatic.
jdsons
I guess I would try to play both,bank the 8 with low right and go into the 9 and maybe make one or both. 
It's mainly because I bank the 8 better with that english and when it comes off the 9 maybe it will kill the cue ball when it hits the rail.I will try it when I get a chance sometime or perhaps you can as you might get to a table faster and let me know what happens with or without any english on the cueball.randyg said:
one or the other
I don't particularly trust the safety, considering it about equally risky so I would go for the bank or carom. I wouldn't go for both because the compromise increases my risk of not making either one. Only if it was absolutely natural with maybe adding a little high or low would I consider trying both.
My bank play is decent, carom play stronger than most so with the distances involved I would look long and hard at the carom but this is a case where the actual table and how I am playing at the moment comes into play. Anything I say just looking at a diagram may not be true when I am on the table.
Hu
I don't particularly trust the safety, considering it about equally risky so I would go for the bank or carom. I wouldn't go for both because the compromise increases my risk of not making either one. Only if it was absolutely natural with maybe adding a little high or low would I consider trying both.
My bank play is decent, carom play stronger than most so with the distances involved I would look long and hard at the carom but this is a case where the actual table and how I am playing at the moment comes into play. Anything I say just looking at a diagram may not be true when I am on the table.
Hu
I think mullyman's shot is the way to go, though factoring in the fact that you are guaranteeing your opponent a shot...I might cut the 8 to the hole @ bottom L. If I make it, I will make the 9...coz it will be easier than the one before :wink2:! I think McCready shoots the 8 here every time .
I also might choose a less agressive game ender: carom the 9 and bunt the 8 to the (lower in diag) side rail.
.I also might choose a less agressive game ender: carom the 9 and bunt the 8 to the (lower in diag) side rail.
This is a two-way shot.
Go for the carom win and play the eight-ball safe to the head rail.
Go for the carom win and play the eight-ball safe to the head rail.
Mully posted what I would do here. I'm not sure if he diagrammed the CB path very accurately (I think it would rebound further to the right, possibly even clipping the 9 ball), but the CB is not my priority; as Mully said, the focus is all on getting the 8 straight up table to the middle of that rail. The 9 blocks any possible scratch, so I'm basically unconcerned with where the CB ends up, since the speed of the shot means it will be on the opposite end of the table from the 8.
-Andrew
-Andrew
I would have to go down swinging.
The 8ball safety at the opposite end of the table is one of those shots i hate.
Sure if you hit it perfect, then your in good shape, but i've seen it where the speed is off, and it just ends up selling out.
Even if you do hit it perfect, there is no guarantee that you are going to win cause for all you know, they thin the 8 and stick you right back behind the 9, or they take a swing at it, crap it in, or get a lucky safe out of it.
From where the balls lie, I would take fate in my own hands, and take a bank on the 8 straight back on the right, and stick the cue ball for a straight in shot on the 9.
Even if you miss, YOU might get a lucky roll.
I would take a shot at the win.
I've played safe in these situations before, and NEVER had a shot to win afterwards.
So i'd go for broke.
The 8ball safety at the opposite end of the table is one of those shots i hate.
Sure if you hit it perfect, then your in good shape, but i've seen it where the speed is off, and it just ends up selling out.
Even if you do hit it perfect, there is no guarantee that you are going to win cause for all you know, they thin the 8 and stick you right back behind the 9, or they take a swing at it, crap it in, or get a lucky safe out of it.
From where the balls lie, I would take fate in my own hands, and take a bank on the 8 straight back on the right, and stick the cue ball for a straight in shot on the 9.
Even if you miss, YOU might get a lucky roll.
I would take a shot at the win.
I've played safe in these situations before, and NEVER had a shot to win afterwards.
So i'd go for broke.
TX Poolnut said:
Ditto that without a second thought. You can't lose on this. You know you're gonna give the 9 a decent chance to drop, the cue won't get away from you, and that the 8 is going to the head rail.
A good safety with a good chance to win.
play safe
I would take Mully's shot since I believe it is the easiest to execute giving me the best chance to win. The key is to take the right shot if you screw up excecution shame on you and go pratice the shot. It is much better to shoot the right shot and miss execution than to shot the wrong shot time and time again. In the end Mully's shot will get you the money more often than it won't.
I would take Mully's shot since I believe it is the easiest to execute giving me the best chance to win. The key is to take the right shot if you screw up excecution shame on you and go pratice the shot. It is much better to shoot the right shot and miss execution than to shot the wrong shot time and time again. In the end Mully's shot will get you the money more often than it won't.
I would prolly screw up the safety and hang both balls near pockets for an easy loss.
av84fun said:
Hit the 8 as if to bank it across, make sure you dont hit the 9. Send cueball 2-3 rails to the bottom right corner. If you hit well, the 8 would be by the pocket making it easy to win from just about anywhere the other guy puts you.
Another option is to roll the 8 and cueball to the rail behind the 9, but it's a bit easy for the other guy to leave you a tough shot on the 8 after that.