Hey i will take that bet,but you do realize its a bet you cant win,haha,well unless they both croaked God forbid.JB Cases said:
What would You rate Cubc and OMGWTFs Games?
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JB Cases said:She never had to win? Come on Sunny, that's ridiculous. She blew a lot of easy outs as well. CUBC should have dominated her from the beginning and he dogged it. In 8 ahead she definitely HAD to win each game. There is no way she was stringing him along.
- Ok, maybe, I didn't state it clearly in my post or you misunderstood, but what I meant was, when she won her games, she broke in her $$$ ball, or didn't have to run more than 3 balls to pocket her money balls. (7 or 9). Becuase cubc usually dogged it around 5 and after. IF given an opportunity, she could had shown us more speed to her game.
She could be an A-player? Yeah, maybe, but it's doubtful.
- Just threw that in as a twist...and to emphasize that we never saw OMGWTF's true potential in the match
A lot of us play great with no pressure. I totally disagree with you though that she didn't play her best game because he didn't. From what I saw both of them dogged a lot of balls and it was more handing things back and forth. OMGWTF came with several good shots at the end but the final two shots of the match were exactly the tenor of the whole match. CUBC had an easy out and he gets a little out of line on the 7 and takes no time to line it up and fires away leaving it hanging to blow 3gs.
- I thougth BOTH players didn't play to their fullest potential - that was MY openion soley based on my observation from the match. I never said I was right. This is an open discussion forum, right?
You make it sound as if she was deliberately playing on the lemon.
- no, but if that's how it sounded, once again not what I was saying...
I don't know before and I still don't know how both of these players play from watching the live feed one time... that is all.
Either way she got the cash.
John
- Oooh, we do agree on one thing
S.
Johnnyt said:
I have to agree with Johnnyt. Giving up the wild 7 is a HUGE spot. I think CubC shot himself in the foot with that one, and OMG just knew she couldn't lose with such a big advantage. My feeling is that he folded when he saw her drop winners on the break.
FastMikie said:
I tend to agree with one modification - if you can't control the rack then you shouldn't give up the 7 or any other spot.
There were plenty of times where CUBC just made the wrong decision in how to control the rack. No patience. As Sunny reminds us, you don't have to run out every rack to win when your opponent gives it to with the last couple balls.
You have to play a different game when you are giving up weight, especially if you are not a run out player or are playing on tight equipment.
There were opportunities by both players to "get comfortable" with the table. Melinda was in there the night before. I don't think Chris got a chance to try the table before their match time. IMO, Melinda played much better than Chris. She has kind of a 'hurried' process, with a bunch of unnecessary warm up strokes, but cubc has NO process at all...something I was surprised to see, since he has had a lesson with Kelly Fisher. I was standing next to her and Jimmy M, watching some of the match, and when I asked her about this, she mentioned that he only had one 3-hr. lesson. Either he didn't pay attention, or didn't practice what she showed him.
Scott Lee
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Da Poet said:Not a dig on anyone, but judging by the blown safties, it seemed that neither player was as prepared as they could have been when it came to the speed of the table. Maybe under the circumstances, there wasn't an opportunity, but with those other tables around, I'm not sure why there wasn't a chance to get comfortable with the speed of the cloth before the match rather than during it.
It took a lot of guts by both players to do this and my hats off to both of them.
Scott Lee said:There were opportunities by both players to "get comfortable" with the table. Melinda was in there the night before. I don't think Chris got a chance to try the table before their match time. IMO, Melinda played much better than Chris. She has kind of a 'hurried' process, with a bunch of unnecessary warm up strokes, but cubc has NO process at all...something I was surprised to see, since he has had a lesson with Kelly Fisher. I was standing next to her and Jimmy M, watching some of the match, and when I asked her about this, she mentioned that he only had one 3-hr. lesson. Either he didn't pay attention, or didn't practice what she showed him.
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I vote for not practiced what she showed him. Kelly plays fast but she doesn't play without a plan. I guarantee you that if he went to Kelly looking for improvement to his fundamentals then she was was very thorough and patient about explaining them.
I worked with Kelly for a while on certain things to help her understand 9-ball and strategy a bit better. She in turn helped me a little to get my fundamentals under control. But I didn't practice either and still have a lot of body english in my stroke.
It's kind of a bummer because CUBC could be a pretty good player. Some of the outs he made showed knowledge and good cueball control.
And as has been mentioned many times he obviously didn't play his best game.
like that famous song goes - "it was just emotion taking me over".......
I can only imagine the pressure on him. Probably most were self-inflicted.JB Cases said:
Me TOO Mike! The chances were there. The TAR room was open at least part of every day and night, since the Alex/Shane match ended.
Scott Lee
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The chances were there. The TAR room was open at least part of every day and night, since the Alex/Shane match ended.Scott Lee
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FastMikie said:
Hilary...I wish I had known you were there! We could have gone and knocked some balls around on another table, after the match!...since we didn't get a chance to play the week before, in San Diego! Next time!
I played some with Jenny Lee several years ago. She struck me as a very determined player!
Scott Lee
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I played some with Jenny Lee several years ago. She struck me as a very determined player!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
hilla_hilla said:
Cameron Smith said:
I kinda get your point, but I didn't get the sense that anyone was really condemming anyone's game.
Actually, I think we're all doing both players a huge favor by commenting on the match. I would love to know what other pool players really thought about how I played in a match and what they thought happened. That would be absolutely facinating to me. How often do we get any more feedback than, "nice game" or "tough match" Sure you open yourself up to some harsh criticism, but even worse case, if I didn't play as well as I thought I should or could and somebody told me I sucked, I'm not going to be insulted at all, because I did suck!
On a side note, I think both players, no matter what they admit, are going to read every word of every post in this thread and possibly learn a couple things about their game that they might not have been aware of. They'll both be much better players in the long run for doing this.
I'm thinking about bringing a camera to a match and posting the vid for commentary! lol
Scott Lee said:There were opportunities by both players to "get comfortable" with the table. Melinda was in there the night before. I don't think Chris got a chance to try the table before their match time. IMO, Melinda played much better than Chris. She has kind of a 'hurried' process, with a bunch of unnecessary warm up strokes, but cubc has NO process at all...something I was surprised to see, since he has had a lesson with Kelly Fisher. I was standing next to her and Jimmy M, watching some of the match, and when I asked her about this, she mentioned that he only had one 3-hr. lesson. Either he didn't pay attention, or didn't practice what she showed him.
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Those hard headed students drive teachers crazy don't they?
(For the record, I'm insulting myself, not Cubc. lol)
Just about ready for my annual checkup Scott.
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Any time you're ready, Tal!
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Da Poet said:Just about ready for my annual checkup Scott.
hilla_hilla said:
I saw Jenny Lee the other week play a little cheap one pocket while Rich was in action. But I think she's temporarily retired from serious play till her new baby gets a little older. By the way, I was at the TAR match in Vegas also, and it seemed in my humble opinion that cubc was just throwing his cue stick at the shots without any serious thought. Just going through the motions.
I agree....
I didn't see this match and I can't attest to CUBC's play because I've never seen him play, but I did see a little of Melindas play at the recent predator qualifier in LA and she can hit them pretty good. She beat some pretty good players to tie me for 5-6th. I never played her but I watched her hit a few and if she never ran more than three balls in the match, then it's not because she's not capable of it.
Jaden.
sunnyday said:Okay, here is my 2 cents...
It is not fare to rate these two players' true game from what we had seen from the feed, why? Not to defend or take anything away from these players but...
1. Diamond Tables can get into anyone's head and tear down their confidence if you're not hitting perfect - even Pros crumble under the pressure after hanging few key shots. Those who did watch the live feed, cubc did hang, along with misses 9 ball, 6 ball and even 7 ball ( not positive on the 7 )??? At the end, you could see and feel that cubc had lost all the conficence in his game. Mainly, I feel due to the fact he wasn't ready for the "Diamondator".
2. Have you ever played in a room full of crowd and you knew that no one wanted you to win? You know what that feels like? I do...(not that I don't have friends or disliked by general population, but I don't play lot leagues or have traveling cliques. So I've had many matches where I was the "outsider") It's easy for you to say that you should feed off the hate and you should play harder, but it's easier said than done.
3. OMGWTF, didn't play to her fullest potential either... She never ran more than 3 balls... I'm not knocking her game but it's becuae she NEVER HAD TO to win
Lets hope that we get to see more of these two players battle out in the future.
Oh, we will see more of OMGWTF for sure, cause if I remember correctly, she said she's slowing down- not closing - her blog because she wants to compete (more often) in pool . It had nothing to do with her identity being outed. She has no problem picking on poeple to their face
I think that's like 3 or 4 cents... put it on my charge...
S.
I didn't see this match and I can't attest to CUBC's play because I've never seen him play, but I did see a little of Melindas play at the recent predator qualifier in LA and she can hit them pretty good. She beat some pretty good players to tie me for 5-6th. I never played her but I watched her hit a few and if she never ran more than three balls in the match, then it's not because she's not capable of it.
Jaden.
Hope you're kidding about the seven and the pop. If you're not, I just got paid.Fatboy said:come to think of it I wish I could break half that good, man I was 260 pounds with abs all roided out and never had that power. All show no go. I just realized how good that is, I played on that table the day before and it wasnt slipery new cloth either, it was broke in and played right, which just makes that break that much more impressive. WOW!!!! That was strong. Good for her. Man she could play SVB with the 7 and the breaks and win.
PSST...Anybody got SVB's cell phone?
After watching the match, or some of it, the five, seven, last three and the break might not be enough. If she would take that bet for the same amount, it wouldn't take long in an eight ahead set. Remember, with all those hangers, Shane (or any other top player) are gonna get out 97% of the time.
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Scott Lee said:Hilary...I wish I had known you were there! We could have gone and knocked some balls around on another table, after the match!...since we didn't get a chance to play the week before, in San Diego! Next time!
I played some with Jenny Lee several years ago. She struck me as a very determined player!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I was with Dead poked in the commentators booth
. That was a LOT of fun!