What would you shoot here? (8-ball)

CreeDo said:
so you're saying your position might be basically the same, or it might have improved. It certainly won't be any worse unless he's fairly lucky and freezes you against something.

I don't like trying to make it, there is a much larger margin for error on the kick safety (like you can hit it too full and have the CB skip to the long rail) than there is for making it AND getting the cue ball to fall in that window on the 8, which is 1 in a zillion.

Give your opponent enough rope to hang himself. Forget that stuff about going down swinging or 'don't sell out on a false safety'. What's more likely? An impossible dream flyer goes in with shape and you win? Or the opponent dogs his shot/safe attempt because he's 6-7 feet away from the nearest object ball?
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I think you make a great point Creedo. I think that this is definitely one of those game situations where you play your opponent and not just the table. If I'm playing someone who probably can't get out, then I just want to get the 11 out of there and take my chances. If I'm playing a player who runs out constantly then I probably try to make it. If I am playing someone who can run out an open table then I play the shot I diagrammed above and take my chances that they'll mess up a risky break out.

~rc
 
You are in trouble if you are playing a decent player. I would try two rails under the four and try to leave the cue ball downtable and hope I get back to the table.
 
sixpack said:

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I think the other kicks are losers even if they are succesful exactly as planned.

Hit a little harder than lag speed with a touch (just a touch, no more) of running (right) english.
This kick gives you a better chance to win in every case. If you graze the 11 it moves the 11 into traffic and blocks your opponent's balls. It also puts the CB in a good spot.

If you hit the 11 too full, then it might block the pocket and put the CB in the trouble.

It's possible to leave a makeable shot with this kick, and, of course giving up BIH is death. But this is how I would shoot it.

~rc
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Hey Regas, where you been? Haven't seen you around Pressure in awhile...

I have a couple of concerns with your choice of shots and the way you say to shoot it:

1. Shot choice: Kicking into the back side of the 11 makes that corner pocket loom pretty large for a scratch. I'd say there's a better chance of scratching than of getting safe.

2. Execution: If I did shoot your shot I wouldn't try to add any running english - the kick angle is so steep that almost none is needed and it will almost certainly be overdone.

However, I do like your choice of going one rail off the far end better than going two rails off the near end. More precision is possible and there's a realistic chance of making it.

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Patrick Johnson said:
Hey Regas, where you been? Haven't seen you around Pressure in awhile...

I have a couple of concerns with your choice of shots and the way you say to shoot it:

1. Shot choice: Kicking into the back side of the 11 makes that corner pocket loom pretty large for a scratch. I'd say there's a better chance of scratching than of getting safe.

2. Execution: If I did shoot your shot I wouldn't try to add any running english - the kick angle is so steep that almost none is needed and it will almost certainly be overdone.

However, I do like your choice of going one rail off the far end better than going two rails off the near end. More precision is possible and there's a realistic chance of making it.

pj
chgo
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LOL! The only reason I would put running on it AT ALL is to offset the humidity and sticky rails at pressure. I'm not talking running english, just a TAD of NOT LEFT to make sure you don't stick it into the rail and get a bad hit on the solid.

I disagree about the scratch. On a barbox with a heavy cueball, yes, but on a 9 footer, I think MOST of the time you're okay as long as you make sure to hit the 2nd rail far enough up.

I'm back in Cali now for a few weeks or so. Every day I was in Chicago the last month or so I worked 10-12 hrs ending after 9 p.m. By the time I made some dinner I didn't get over there until 11 or so and then I usually had so much work to do that I just sat there and worked in the cafe.

Next time I come back though I should have more time as the busy season is over.

~rc
 
When the safe is as hard as the shot... always go for the shot.

Two rail it under the 4, or one rail it from the head rail and see if you can catch a roll.

Chances are really low, but even if you get safe on this shot, he'll just hook you again. You're not in a good spot, and that's just they way it is..
 
I'd go for it.....go for the long bank, kick in the 11....if I make it, I should be able to see the 8....on a 7 footer, this shot is easier than it looks.....his balls are clustered a bit, so even a legal hit may not just leave an easy out....

Didn't read any of the responses yet, so this may have already been said...
 
ajohnson13 said:
Here is my hail mary shot!!

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This seems to me like the only real shot you have. And any C player or better should be able to pull this off no problem. Lol.




In all honesty, I would play the one rail kick, length of the table. Just make sure you make the hit because if you do and you DON'T make the shot (not likely that you will) you could leave the 11 in front of the pocket or at least between the pocket and the 4 on the rail.

Two rails would mean having to give your stroke a little muscle to make sure something hits the rail. And all that would do is open up your opponent's clutter a little and make getting out easier for him.

Playing safe is too hard. Your best bet safety-wise is the tie the 1 and the 8 up, but with that much room between the too, your touch would have to be PERFECT. Tying the 8 up with any other ball is not an option. With 5 other balls in the vicinty, the breakout would be easy for your opponent, especially coming to the table with ball in hand.

1 rail kick. Length of the table. Seems like the only smart option here.
 
Neil said:
Creedo: Here's the probable result of your shot, and just one option of what I could/would easily do next. What are you going to do from there??
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Not a happy place, I'll admit. Continue laying out rope and hope the opponent screws up trying to break 'em up and runout. Hope he'll eventually at least leave a reasonable kick safe.

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Just enough room for a three-rail kick. Play the 8-Ball in the side/corner pocket.....SPF=randyg
 
I'd kick myself directly in the ass for running 6 balls and missing the 11 ball, leaving my opponent with 8 balls on the table to play safe with...

But that's just me..

In this situation, the only probable outcome is that your opponent will win this rack... Playing to make the 11 ball is not a high percentage shot. You could give up ball in hand by trying to tie some stuff up, but he does have 7 balls on the table.. The odds are in his favor any way you look at it.
 
Oh.. that's easy....

You jump the 2, 7, into the 11, which hops into the rail, jumping over the two back into the corner pocket, and the cue ball drifts up to the 3rd diamond to shoot the 8 in the same corner..

no problems.

What?!?! you wouldn't play it that way?


*Please put on your boots.. it's gettin' deep :rotflmao1:
 
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I think i would have shot the 7 in the 11, so the 11ball will block for the solids in that corner, and the 7 lies in to the side rail.
 
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