What's going on with tournament promotions?

mnorwood

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With the Galveston tournament coming up I still haven't heard or seen anything in the houston media about it. With all the other events happening in pool I don't see anything from traditional media sources about any of it. When someone says they are promoting a tournament what exactly does that mean?

There seems to be some buzz about air hockey. The scrabble championship in New Orleans gets some run. Whats up with pool?

Here's a link the Chronicles coverage of air hockey.

http://www.chron.com/common/special/07/templates/lineuppop.html?mcVideo=958498245
 
With the Galveston tournament coming up I still haven't heard or seen anything in the houston media about it. With all the other events happening in pool I don't see anything from traditional media sources about any of it. When someone says they are promoting a tournament what exactly does that mean?

There seems to be some buzz about air hockey. The scrabble championship in New Orleans gets some run. Whats up with pool?

Here's a link the Chronicles coverage of air hockey.

http://www.chron.com/common/special/07/templates/lineuppop.html?mcVideo=958498245

Promoters/Organizations are responsible for getting the info out to the media; however, this does not mean that the media will provide coverage. We just have to live with this.
 
Do any of the other large tournaments get coverage in their local papers/ radio/ TV?

DCC, US Open, Mosconi Cup, etc?
 
Promoters/Organizations are responsible for getting the info out to the media; however, this does not mean that the media will provide coverage. We just have to live with this.
I am not convinced announcements ever make it to the media. With tv and papers covering everything from the paper/rock/scissors championship to the Scottish rock throwing festival I am not sure why pool would be left out if promoters were giving them the info.
 
Do any of the other large tournaments get coverage in their local papers/ radio/ TV?

DCC, US Open, Mosconi Cup, etc?

I don't know if the WPBA Satellite Tour event in Bristol got any press before the actual event, but there were a couple articles in the local paper (or on a website), and the local news crew was there a few times. The 11 o'clock news showed Karen Corr's 2-rail 2-9 kick combo, plus had brief interviews with Karen, Janet, and I think Gerda.

Janet worked really hard promoting the event, and I wouldn't be surprised if she made the necessary calls to alert the local media, and perhaps pushed them if there was any reluctance to cover it. ;)

I have no idea about the DCC, Open, etc. :)
 
With the Galveston tournament coming up I still haven't heard or seen anything in the houston media about it. With all the other events happening in pool I don't see anything from traditional media sources about any of it. When someone says they are promoting a tournament what exactly does that mean?

There seems to be some buzz about air hockey. The scrabble championship in New Orleans gets some run. Whats up with pool?

Here's a link the Chronicles coverage of air hockey.

http://www.chron.com/common/special/07/templates/lineuppop.html?mcVideo=958498245


Well, first off, in the case of Galveston, I guess based upon what Joey says, they think that everyone should go to their web site for info. To the best of my knowledge they have not been here, nor to onepocket.org, to promote their event.

Speaking more generally, promoting a sporting event (or any event), and getting so-called "media coverage" involves a lot of work that most promoters are either ignorant about, or unable/unwilling to do. IOW, you can't just shoot off a flyer, or schedule, or poster, or even a press release, because I guarantee you *that* ends up in the trash.

Pool can get coverage. But someone has to do the PR roadwork :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Bulls-Eye!!!

Very interesting topic indeed. There are many problems with pool related promotions and most of them relate back to the target audience trying to be reached IMO.

Where do you see pool related advertisements? Every ESPN pool related program, online forums such as AZBilliards, publications such as Pool and Billiards/Billiards Digest, etc... Thats all good and well of course and prospective customers are definately getting the message, but it's lacking in one aspect. All of those tuning into these sources allready know about the products and events that are being offered. That's fine to maintain the status quo, but it does nothing to broaden the billiards oriented customer base.

Here's a suggestion to those attempting to promote future events. How about going outside the box and targeting customers who aren't active players allready. Most local newspapers have an entertainment section with a column specifically designed to highlight local events. I can't guaranty it, but I'm pretty sure they are either free or charge or available at a very nominal fee. Or how about instead of posting up tournament flyers in every pool hall we know of and mailing them out to the same, why not attempt to put some up in business venues where possible prospective parties are frequenting?

Yes, promoting any event is a HUGE endevor! My hat goes off to those that put in the efforts and I wish them all the best of luck. I'm sure we all want to see our sport grow and the future become stronger than the past and every step we take in that direction is a positive thing.

Just thrownin' my 2 cents in here...if we get enough cents we'll have a dollar...before you know it there could be a wealth of knowledge just sitting here waiting to be tapped into!!! :thumbup:
 
Not a whole lot of promoting (PR) going on in pool. When there is it unfortunately is done last minute. This is fine for local TV and newspapers since more people are likely to see it and come to watch, however how many times has everybody looked at a billiards magazine and either seen the announcement of a tournament that is now over or seen the results of a tournament that was never advertised to be taking place in previous issues. :confused:
 
Much of the lack of attention to an event, small or large, is at the fault of the promoter of the event.

In billiards, I chalk it up to a lack of professionalism and organization with the dilettantes in charge of these operations.

If one knows what they are doing, a true professional, then all they key people will be well aware of what is coming up and in high anticipation of it - excited!

Few in pool sports know what the hell they are doing...
 
Very interesting topic indeed. There are many problems with pool related promotions and most of them relate back to the target audience trying to be reached IMO.

Where do you see pool related advertisements? Every ESPN pool related program, online forums such as AZBilliards, publications such as Pool and Billiards/Billiards Digest, etc... Thats all good and well of course and prospective customers are definately getting the message, but it's lacking in one aspect. All of those tuning into these sources allready know about the products and events that are being offered. That's fine to maintain the status quo, but it does nothing to broaden the billiards oriented customer base.

Here's a suggestion to those attempting to promote future events. How about going outside the box and targeting customers who aren't active players allready. Most local newspapers have an entertainment section with a column specifically designed to highlight local events. I can't guaranty it, but I'm pretty sure they are either free or charge or available at a very nominal fee. Or how about instead of posting up tournament flyers in every pool hall we know of and mailing them out to the same, why not attempt to put some up in business venues where possible prospective parties are frequenting?

Yes, promoting any event is a HUGE endevor! My hat goes off to those that put in the efforts and I wish them all the best of luck. I'm sure we all want to see our sport grow and the future become stronger than the past and every step we take in that direction is a positive thing.

Just thrownin' my 2 cents in here...if we get enough cents we'll have a dollar...before you know it there could be a wealth of knowledge just sitting here waiting to be tapped into!!! :thumbup:


Well, pool tournament, as other home grown endeavors, is a bit different in that it needs to attract both audiences. They need the pool players to attend and they also should be trying to attract the audience outside the sport.

Lou Figueroa
 
People blame the downfall of pool on alot of things but i bet the lack of knowledge in marketing and advertising in the pool world is the biggest problem. Most of the people that are in charge think since they are in the pool world of course they could do these things better then someone who actually does it for a living........which of course is not true. What pool needs is several people with the right background in these areas to be able to the reach masses.
 
People blame the downfall of pool on alot of things but i bet the lack of knowledge in marketing and advertising in the pool world is the biggest problem. Most of the people that are in charge think since they are in the pool world of course they could do these things better then someone who actually does it for a living........which of course is not true. What pool needs is several people with the right background in these areas to be able to the reach masses.


Bless you.

Promoters dream, think, plan, build, and execute, and then wonder why no one showed up to the party.

Lou Figueroa
 
People blame the downfall of pool on alot of things but i bet the lack of knowledge in marketing and advertising in the pool world is the biggest problem. Most of the people that are in charge think since they are in the pool world of course they could do these things better then someone who actually does it for a living........which of course is not true. What pool needs is several people with the right background in these areas to be able to the reach masses.

Amen!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
great thread. It is much tougher to get the word out than you think. Local medias don't care, it cost money to get good ads in the mags, and e-mails aren't getting it done. I would love suggestions on how to get the word out. I do tournaments all over the country and I always get someone showing up in the middle of an event saying they didn't know. Yet there are 200 people that did get the info. How do we get to everyone that wants the info. HELP!!!!
 
I am no marketing expert but here are some things I have done.

1. Utilize local papers, most are starved for novel interesting content.

2. Call in to radio talk shows. Most that I have heard really appreciate talking about something different.

3. You have to be willing to barter services. You help a group promote their event if they do the same. This could come in any form.

4. Create a buzz. Generate some sort of story line and really blow it out of proportion. Mattress mack here in Houston is a master of that.

5. In the age of streaming have a weekly show. Tell people who you are and who the players are and they will be more receptive. You also have to be interactive with an audience to build it. Listen to their requests and feedback.

6. High profile venues. If you have a place that is well known that helps generate conversation.

7.Give something away. Doesn't matter what it is people love freebies. Make sure the freebie is visible on your announcements.

8. Approach local leaders. They love a free photo opportunity. Especially politicians who are on the bubble.

9. Call as many people as you can possibly think of or email them until you get a response and try to network through them. You might get shot down 25 times before you hit gold and its just as golden as the guy who gave you his card and the cold shoulder. What I mean by this is people who can help you or trade services with you.

10. Connect your event with a charity. The media may not like your tournament but they will always stop to help out a good cause.

Just some ideas. Got more of them but alas I am tired.
 
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Bottom line is the same as everything else in the pool world. No one has any money.

Just go take a look at what a little ad in USA Today costs for a week. It will stop your heart. Also the WPBA and IPT are just a couple that I know have hired professional PR firms at one time or another and we all see how big an impact that made.

I used to send stuff to John Werthiem the Sports Illustrated writer who wrote the book about Delicious. We had spoken a couple times, he asked ME (LOL) how to promote his book to pool players. Now that the book is over I have never heard from him again.

You can call promoters amateur or dilettante or whatever but the bottom line is time and money. I have seen local networks at some events but so what? What is the reward on investment for constantly trying to convince local stations to cover a tournament ? You may spend eight hours talking to three different entities only to get nothing or best case get a sixty second blurb about "A gathering of pool hustlers".

Jeanette used to do a charity event in Indianapolis that was big. She had Colts and Pacers players there, local DJ's and celebrities as players and they had a couple of people working on it full time for months to make it happen. It was always a success but I do not know anyone that can afford a staff to do that for anything in a regular old tournament pool.

Most guys spend the time and money where the largest members of a demographic are qualified consumers of their product. For a promoter that is right here and in pool rooms not shooting money up in the air on hoping to convince Joe Blow and Susie Homemaker to suddenly take an interest in pool.

The APA claims 250,000 members plus. If we can't talk to a quarter million people who pay money to a league to play the game and convince them to get behind tournaments of THEIR sport just how are we supposed to convince someone who could care less ?

I was into digital signage years back and did a lot of research into the number of ads people see, what works as far as recognition and how advertisers pay for ads. Some basic numbers I came across is that you have on average 6 seconds to catch someones attention and to actually get someone to remember time/date/place is brutal.

Promoters do what every small business person has since time began. They make the best possible use of limited funds and resources. I think people really have no idea how hard it is to get the word out. There is so much noise and confusion it is brutal to break through. The average money spent on U.S. Senate campaign is $7,000,000 all saturated in one state over a relatively short time span with many volunteers working for free. It is nothing more than an ad campaign to get people off their ass and go do something for an hour. And we all know what turn out most states get with hundreds of millions of dollars spent between all the elections.

It just ain't that easy. There is always more that can be done, but at some point economics takes over. Some things that work cheap are email news letters (working on that one), online viral marketing, brand recognition in the chosen demographic, and word of mouth. There is a reason PR and ad firms charge what they charge. It is hard and expensive.
 
People blame the downfall of pool on alot of things but i bet the lack of knowledge in marketing and advertising in the pool world is the biggest problem. Most of the people that are in charge think since they are in the pool world of course they could do these things better then someone who actually does it for a living........which of course is not true. What pool needs is several people with the right background in these areas to be able to the reach masses.

Cool. I agree 100%.

Now who is going to pay them and pay for the ad campaign ?

$100,000 is nothing for a promotional campaign. Far as I know that is more added money than any event in the country (When Galveston is over that may change). IMO the answer is getting the word out to people who we already know are interested in the game. Where are those people ? Playing leagues every night of the week. Always pick the low hanging fruit first.

I have heard some great ideas and suggestions for marketing, so far no one has told me how to find the time and money to actually do them.
 
Bottom line is the same as everything else in the pool world. No one has any money.

Just go take a look at what a little ad in USA Today costs for a week. It will stop your heart. Also the WPBA and IPT are just a couple that I know have hired professional PR firms at one time or another and we all see how big an impact that made.

I used to send stuff to John Werthiem the Sports Illustrated writer who wrote the book about Delicious. We had spoken a couple times, he asked ME (LOL) how to promote his book to pool players. Now that the book is over I have never heard from him again.

You can call promoters amateur or dilettante or whatever but the bottom line is time and money. I have seen local networks at some events but so what? What is the reward on investment for constantly trying to convince local stations to cover a tournament ? You may spend eight hours talking to three different entities only to get nothing or best case get a sixty second blurb about "A gathering of pool hustlers".

Jeanette used to do a charity event in Indianapolis that was big. She had Colts and Pacers players there, local DJ's and celebrities as players and they had a couple of people working on it full time for months to make it happen. It was always a success but I do not know anyone that can afford a staff to do that for anything in a regular old tournament pool.

Most guys spend the time and money where the largest members of a demographic are qualified consumers of their product. For a promoter that is right here and in pool rooms not shooting money up in the air on hoping to convince Joe Blow and Susie Homemaker to suddenly take an interest in pool.

The APA claims 250,000 members plus. If we can't talk to a quarter million people who pay money to a league to play the game and convince them to get behind tournaments of THEIR sport just how are we supposed to convince someone who could care less ?

I was into digital signage years back and did a lot of research into the number of ads people see, what works as far as recognition and how advertisers pay for ads. Some basic numbers I came across is that you have on average 6 seconds to catch someones attention and to actually get someone to remember time/date/place is brutal.

Promoters do what every small business person has since time began. They make the best possible use of limited funds and resources. I think people really have no idea how hard it is to get the word out. There is so much noise and confusion it is brutal to break through. The average money spent on U.S. Senate campaign is $7,000,000 all saturated in one state over a relatively short time span with many volunteers working for free. It is nothing more than an ad campaign to get people off their ass and go do something for an hour. And we all know what turn out most states get with hundreds of millions of dollars spent between all the elections.

It just ain't that easy. There is always more that can be done, but at some point economics takes over. Some things that work cheap are email news letters (working on that one), online viral marketing, brand recognition in the chosen demographic, and word of mouth. There is a reason PR and ad firms charge what they charge. It is hard and expensive.

Very good post! I agree with everything you are saying. The whole point of starting this thread is to try to understand pool promotions. If they are being paid for promoting a tournament what do they do? There is only three things I see when a tournament happens. 1. a website 2. a thread on the forum and if the tournament is local a flier over the urinal in the bathroom at the pool hall and if it is a big tournament the flier is done in color. That's all I ever see. However, for other local events I consistently see things about them. I know the benefit golf tournament for the Harris county fire department doesn't have a warchest of funds but yet I hear about it from more than one source. I understand that its allot of hours but I refuse to believe that a better job can't be done.
 
Very good post! I agree with everything you are saying. The whole point of starting this thread is to try to understand pool promotions. If they are being paid for promoting a tournament what do they do? There is only three things I see when a tournament happens. 1. a website 2. a thread on the forum and if the tournament is local a flier over the urinal in the bathroom at the pool hall and if it is a big tournament the flier is done in color. That's all I ever see. However, for other local events I consistently see things about them. I know the benefit golf tournament for the Harris county fire department doesn't have a warchest of funds but yet I hear about it from more than one source. I understand that its allot of hours but I refuse to believe that a better job can't be done.

I agree absolutely more can be done. The thing is when you are a one or two man operation as most promotions are at the core, there is just so much you can do. I see what the BCAPL does with a staff of 5 or 6. It is amazing. And yet people still have no clue about the NCS or the Shootout at the Sands events. It is like trying to shovel snow with a spoon.

The key is reaching the people who are actually going to come to an event. Local news coverage is extremely low return on investment for that. IMO the best way is to form a solid information distribution network at the grass roots level through local league operators and pool rooms.

Put it right in front of the players. Easy to say, no one has done it yet.
 
I agree absolutely more can be done. The thing is when you are a one or two man operation as most promotions are at the core, there is just so much you can do. I see what the BCAPL does with a staff of 5 or 6. It is amazing. And yet people still have no clue about the NCS or the Shootout at the Sands events. It is like trying to shovel snow with a spoon.

The key is reaching the people who are actually going to come to an event. Local news coverage is extremely low return on investment for that. IMO the best way is to form a solid information distribution network at the grass roots level through local league operators and pool rooms.

Put it right in front of the players. Easy to say, no one has done it yet.

Justin,

As the true "insider" we know you are, and your intellectual qualities at getting your point across, I read your posts on this subject with great interest.

I would just like to add, that as you know, with the lofty asperations of the GWC, we are certainly NOT talking about a $5000 added tournament here, or even an established event like Turning Stone, with big added $$$.

We're talking about an event that rivals the DCC, or the big Vegas events, in scope and potential, and the promoter's of the event, I'm sure, are trying to get it off the ground without a major financial deficit in year one.

I totally agree with your take on mass advertising, and the hiring of PR firms to get the word out.
It is prohibitively expensive, and a very poor $$$ return....both per player and attending spectator.

Just to take your "grass root's" concept a little further...I offer the following suggestions, to get the word out "better" than what I've seen from the GWC promoter's thus far.

(1) Design, and print a large quantity of attractive posters, WELL in advance (too late this year) of the event. This could cost up to (guesstimate) $5-8K.

(2) Pick someone (from the GWC group) to act as a liason to all the pool forums, and have them stay pro-active within those forums. Cost...zero $$. A labor of love, and well worth it.

(3) Get said liason, to solicit help from the hundreds of quality posters, who would be glad to disemminate flyers and posters, to every "action" bar and pool room in the country. Cost of mailings (guesstimate again) several K.

(4) I would think that doing something like the above, would facilitate in getting the word out to almost everybody, even remotely interested in attending the event, in a very cost effective manner. (under 10K, = 1 % of a mil. !!!)

The other major tournaments don't need to do that.(although, it sure would't hurt if they did) They are allready established by their longevity and popularity in our somewhat small world.

This is their first event, and if there are going to be more of them (which we all hope there are) They need to put forth the utmost effort to make it a success.

I'm sure they are all lovers of the game, and I applaud them for making the effort they are making, especially in these uncertain times. I wish them every success.

But I am just as sure, none of the promoter's are philantrophists, who will pour their $$$$ down the drain forever, if they take a big bath in their innaugural event.

Word of mouth is a good thing, but getting information out there, in a timely fashion, so people can pre-plan, is worth a few $K investment. And yes, it is work ! JMHO.

Dick Mc Morran
 
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