What's the 'right way' to play this shot?

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tiptoety

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I know you guys love these types of things... PS First time using the CueTable. Sorry if i messed up.


This shot came up in debate at the room i hang out in... From what we've gathered there are 3 possible ways to run out. Excluding the obvious -shoot 8, float over to other rail and hope to have a straight in shot at 9 in corner without scratching. (everyone threw that option out the window).

What do you guys think the best way to get out is, taking into account percentages of scratching and actually getting in a place to play the 9 in the side plus making the ball.

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Shots explain themselves i think.
 
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I'd stroke that sucker in with inside center to low, back and forth, and come out under the nine. That's one of those shots ya just feel. :)
 
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Shoot the 8 and come across and freeze to the rail...takes the side pocket scratch out of the equation...
 
Depends

That is a hard leave to get out on very consistently.

If you are feeling it:
1) With 5:15 (by hour hand) english, make the 8, coming 2 rails, and the cue will end up close to side pocket on the side the 8 is on, take a thin cut on the 9 in the side.

If not feeling it:
1) Cut 8 into the corner, and try to lay cue opposite long rail to shoot 9 in the corner, BUT a little off on this shape, or even if you cue balls drifts uptable some and the shot instantly becomes much harder. Be prepared to bank the 9 if you miss shape.
 
SpinDokter had it right, but if the 8 isn't off the rail enough (although it looks like it is in the diagram) it is not really worth it to try to get behind it, because you are decreasing the probability of pocketing the 8, and the 9 goes in the other corner easily.

Just shoot the 8 in with low-medium speed center ball with a titch of left one rail down to the side. Speed is now the important factor here.
 
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I'm not very keen on any of the approaches to getting on the nine in the side. They are all possible, but each carries an enormous chance of missing the eight ball or scratching with the cue. I'll play the eight ball in the corner with some left english, coming twice across for solid shape on the bank of the nine into the side.

Of course, as one other poster wisely commented, it's all about your level of play. For me, I feel this approach is best.

On a separate note, did anyone notice the safety? Hitting the eight ball more or less straight, send it four rails to the center of the foot rail while using a little follow to leave the cue ball on the head rail. If that shot's in your arsenal, you'll probably win this rack if you execute it.
 
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8 in the corner, using high right and pace.....cue goes three rails, 9 in the side...
 
Since the 8 is not hugging the rail, I would play this shot with a lot of bottom left english. If executed properly with the right amount of speed, the cue ball should be above the area where it was (on the shot for the 8), possibly even being straight in on the 9.
 
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this is how I play that shot, you dont shoot real hard, med speed, low left... The harder you hit the more likely you are to scratch.

this shot on a scale of 1 to 10 is definatly a solid 7.5 on the difficulty meter, that is untill you make it 10 times, then it becomes routine.


SPINDOKTOR
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I'd love to see a video of this shot. I don't think it's the best way to go since all the spin makes the pocketing more difficult. Edit: From this distance I don't think your shot is possible... the cueball would move a bit more. I'd try to go back and forth for the 9 in the side... bank it if I didn't come back enough. My second choice would be to roll it in playing perfect speed to get the cueball frozen to the side rail.
 
sjm said:
I'm not very keen on any of the approaches to getting on the nine in the side. They are all possible, but each carries an enormous chance of missing the eight ball or scratching with the cue. I'll play the eight ball in the corner with some left english, coming twice across for solid shape on the bank of the nine into the side.

Of course, as one other poster wisely commented, it's all about your level of play. For me, I feel this approach is best.

On a separate note, did anyone notice the safety? Hitting the eight ball more or less straight, send it four rails to the center of the foot rail while using a little follow to leave the cue ball on the head rail. If that shot's in your arsenal, you'll probably win this rack if you execute it.
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I LIKE THAT CHOICE

I agree. Nice shot. Just be careful not to hit too hard or with top right and have cueball hug the rail and scratch in the corner. Grady Matthews likes it alot too- it's on one of his tapes.
 
Sensation said:
I'd love to see a video of this shot. I don't think it's the best way to go since all the spin makes the pocketing more difficult. Edit: From this distance I don't think your shot is possible... the cueball would move a bit more. I'd try to go back and forth for the 9 in the side... bank it if I didn't come back enough. My second choice would be to roll it in playing perfect speed to get the cueball frozen to the side rail.
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Useualy you will hit the rail behind the 9 leaving a wider angle, I diagramed the shot that way so if you were to try it you wouldnt shoot to hard and scratch.

If the 8 is frozen to the rail yes High right about the same speed. if it isnt froze, high right will give about the same result as center with right but further up the table. lol, go shoot this shot if you cant make it and get shape I'll video tape this shot and send it to you.........for a small fee ofcourse:D


SPINDOKTOR
 
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Bank the 8 across corner with the old inside slide if u make it then you will be on the nine in the side if you miss it good you have a good chance of bein safe. that is all depending on whether or not the speed was perfect!
 
Sensation said:
I'd love to see a video of this shot. I don't think it's the best way to go since all the spin makes the pocketing more difficult. Edit: From this distance I don't think your shot is possible... the cueball would move a bit more. I'd try to go back and forth for the 9 in the side... bank it if I didn't come back enough. My second choice would be to roll it in playing perfect speed to get the cueball frozen to the side rail.
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I think some here smoke some good sh*t. I presume were all looking at the same shot? By the diagram the 8 is at best an inch off the rail. Whitey is less than a ball width off the rail. Now let me get this straight, some will draw the c/b how and where? LOL

Me, I really don't like this shot. Maybe a center ball slow roll for a straight in shot on the 9. But most likely I'll play a very simple safe. I noticed this right away and SJM noted it in his post.

Rod
 
The offensive play in my opinion, is to play the shot with no english, slightly below center and go back and forth to get either the bank or the cut in the side. I think using no english is very important on this shot because of the cue ball's proximity to the rail. At slightly less than a ball's width from the rail, even a center ball hit will require some elevation, and english would thus vastly decrease the odds of pocketing the eight.

In terms of defense, sjm is right on target. That old four-rail safety is tried and true!
 
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BigDaddyInc. said:
Bank the 8 across corner with the old inside slide if u make it then you will be on the nine in the side if you miss it good you have a good chance of bein safe. that is all depending on whether or not the speed was perfect!
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This is definitely the "right" shot. You're speed doesn't even have to be perfect. Just make sure you miss shallow. Why does everyone think the low left english is a good option? That is such a low percentage shot and you'll definitely sell out the rack when you miss. I thought we had a few one pocket players on the forum. You should have seen this shot from the beginning.

Rep to you
 
Fire away!

These examples sound like a lot more work than they should be. Why not just a simple pot without excessive english, let it come back for either a straight shot, bank in the corner; or a little harder for the side cut or bank in the side. Pretty much anywhere you leave yourself you should be able to get out. Just look at it this way.. make 2 shots and you're out. Heck, just making that first ball, as easy as it looks, seems to me like it would be the hardest shot you'd have to make on that table. :eek:
 
:D well If you cant do it the way I do then dont do it......simple. If youd rather bank, do so. I personaly feel confortable shooting that shot the way I described, considering Ive played for 15 years, and at least 3 times a week, I know that perticular situation, if you play long enough patterns begin to develop, and that shot and position isnt all that uncommon, I suggst you set it up, and shoot the shot, you do play pool right? as far as one pocket, why dont you just go 5 rails? what you didnt see that? Then your in position to shoot the 9 in the same corner, lol....

all I can say is GL... your gonna need it.


SPINDOKTOR.
 
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