whats wrong with pool yada yada etc

john schmidt

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well this will probably start a 40 page thread but oh well.
i was talking to friend today how we need to make pool exciting etc.

thing is pool is inherently unexciting unless you play it etc.

as some of you know i now am into dirt bikes and street bikes.

i would venture to guess there are as many people who play pool as ride dirt bikes maybe way more.
i just bought a drz400e plated dirtbike today for 2200.guess what now im gonna put skid plate,aftermarket bars,oil,filter,mcct,case savers,radiator guards,antifreeze,
grips,battery tender,i could go on and on.
my point is when you love dirtbiking you go into motorcycle shop and the new ktm bikes are 9000 .
thats how the dirtbike companies can sponsor and pay the pro riders because when your a dirtbike nut like me your going to spend 3-9 thousand on one or more bikes .

if your a pool nut you can buy a cue for 95 bucks join a league and maybe once a year get a new tip.

i know i know there are many in pool who spend more than that but trust me the average motorcycle enthusiasts spend way more on average which is how the money trickes down from the bike companies to the pros.

im not saying the pool crowd is broke or cheap im just saying if you love pool you buy a predator for 500 ,if you love dirtbikes you buy a 9800 dollar ktm,then each year you spend 1000 on maintenance on the bike.

the cue will last forever and might need a tip.


trust me the pool crowd follows the game just as much as the bike crowd but the bike crowd is forced to pay more money to play the game which is how the motorcycle pros get rich.


people always say nobody watches pool its boring etc.

the same amount watch pool as dirtbike racing but the average dirtbike nut spends way way way more because he has too.


they dont sit around dirtbike racing saying . its not exciting and nobody watches.they say we just need the 100,000 that watch to go out and buy a 5000 dollar bike every 3 years .


in pool even if everybody that played pool bought a 200 dollar cue it wouldnt change much because the cue lasts 20 years. the bike lasts1- 5 years and cost 50 times as much.



i would rather watch the dirtbike pros race then watch the masters golf in person but to somebody else dirtbikes are boring.


everybody has some hobby they are in love with ,mines bikes and it costs big money to play.

if someone loves pool it costs nothing to play and thats one of the many reasons pool companies dont sponsor players.

there are many other sports that are the same like golf,every year its a new 500 dollar driver or 55 dollar box of balls that barely last18 holes.


anyway believe me if a brand new dirtbike cost 300 bucks and lasted 15 years and never needed parts honda could not and would not pay chad reed millions to wear honda clothes and ride a honda bike.
 
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well this will probably start a 40 page thread but oh well.
i was talking to friend today how we need to make pool exciting etc.

thing is pool is inherently unexciting unless you play it etc.

as some of you know i now am into dirt bikes and street bikes.

i would venture to guess there are as many people who play pool as ride dirt bikes maybe way more.
i just bought a drz400e plated dirtbike today for 2200.guess what now im gonna put skid plate,aftermarket bars,oil,filter,mcct,case savers,radiator guards,antifreeze,
grips,battery tender,i could go on and on.
my point is when you love dirtbiking you go into motorcycle shop and the new ktm bikes are 9000 .
thats how the dirtbike companies can sponsor and pay the pro riders because when your a dirtbike nut like me your going to spend 3-9 thousand on one or more bikes .

if your a pool nut you can buy a cue for 95 bucks join a league and maybe once a year get a new tip.

i know i know there are many in pool who spend more than that but trust me the average motorcycle enthusiasts spend way more on average which is how the money trickes down from the bike companies to the pros.

im not saying the pool crowd is broke or cheap im just saying if you love pool you buy a predator for 500 ,if you love dirtbikes you buy a 9800 dollar ktm,then each year you spend 1000 on maintenance on the bike.

the cue will last forever and might need a tip.


trust me the pool crowd follows the game just as much as the bike crowd but the bike crowd is forced to pay more money to play the game which is how the motorcycle pros get rich.


people always say nobody watches pool its boring etc.

the same amount watch pool as dirtbike racing but the average dirtbike nut spends way way way more because he has too.


they dont sit around dirtbike racing saying . its not exciting and nobody watches.they say we just need the 100,000 that watch to go out and buy a 5000 dollar bike every 3 years .


in pool even if everybody that played pool bought a 200 dollar cue it wouldnt change much because the cue lasts 20 years. the bike lasts1- 5 years and cost 50 times as much.



i would rather watch the dirtbike pros race then watch the masters golf in person but to somebody else dirtbikes are boring.


everybody has some hobby they are in love with ,mines bikes and it costs big money to play.

if someone loves pool it costs nothing to play and thats one of the many reasons pool companies dont sponsor players.

there are many other sports that are the same like golf,every year its a new 500 dollar driver or 55 dollar box of balls that barely last18 holes.


anyway believe me if a brand new dirtbike cost 300 bucks and lasted 15 years and never needed parts honda could not and would not pay chad reed millions to wear honda clothes and ride a honda bike.
How much have you had to drink tonight John?
 
taking your logic the solution to pool is to make Meucci's fall apart faster and have them cost the same as a scruggs....

thanks john problem solved,
Grey Ghost
 
hi

i wasnt saying whats wrong with pool for me,i make more than many of the pro bike riders. im just talking about the state of pool as a business.

i wish i could ride pro bikes but at 36 and being a novice i dont think that could happen,plus they have very dangerous short careers.

im not complaining about playing pool for living ,ive been fortunate enough to make a nice living for over 12 years doing what i like playing pool.

i just feel sorry for the many friends i have in pool,players ,cuemakers,billiard companies that have no money.

i just feel that pool is one of the games where the diehard fan couldnt spend much on equipment if he wanted to,because all it takes is a 100 dollar stick to play.
 
i wasnt saying whats wrong with pool for me,i make more than many of the pro bike riders. im just talking about the state of pool as a business.

i wish i could ride pro bikes but at 36 and being a novice i dont think that could happen,plus they have very dangerous short careers.

im not complaining about playing pool for living ,ive been fortunate enough to make a nice living for over 12 years doing what i like playing pool.

i just feel sorry for the many friends i have in pool,players ,cuemakers,billiard companies that have no money.

i just feel that pool is one of the games where the diehard fan couldnt spend much on equipment if he wanted to,because all it takes is a 100 dollar stick to play.

Thats the nature of the beast.
 
sorry John, you lost me at KTM; I've been a Yamaha guy for the longest! :rolleyes:

I really enjoy watching pool personally, but that may be because I'm not very good at it (trying to learn something, I guess). I know I'd MUCH rather be playing golf than watching it! With pool I'm good doing either, but reallly like watch to top players going at it.

As far as the spending on activities/sports/hobbies.....pool isn't the cheapest (like disc golf or something might be), but you can get by playing it for little. That's a good thing; cuz I have too many other interests that cost TOO MUCH, lol. Guess I need a Szambotti to catch pool up with what a few years of golf costs....? :rolleyes:
 
taking your logic the solution to pool is to make Meucci's fall apart faster and have them cost the same as a scruggs....

thanks john problem solved,
Grey Ghost

difference is in dirtbiking you cant but a muecci,everybody has to buy a scruggs to play.imagine if everybody in pool bought a scruggs,how much would scruggs make therefore he would see the benefit in advertising.
 
I'll tell ya what's wrong with pool... wives.

No wife, more pool, no problem.

Oh wait... you mean on the business end. Sorry.
 
difference is in dirtbiking you cant but a muecci,everybody has to buy a scruggs to play.imagine if everybody in pool bought a scruggs,how much would scruggs make therefore he would see the benefit in advertising.

Or, if you could convince the suckers...errrr, participants that what they are hitting with is now obsolete after 9 months (like golfers thinking the newest Taylor Made may give them 10 more yards and be straighter).


I have noticed some technology being pitched in pool, but not like it is in golf.
 
I'm glad pool is cheap. The "industry", if that word is appropriate for pool, should use this fact as a selling point. In pool your achievement and quality of play is directly proportional to your desire and time spent practicing. The same can not be said of racing, rodeo, golf, fishing and a laundry list of other sports. I know plenty of guys who are ace mechanics and awesome drivers that are not able to compete in racing because they simply did not have the cash flow. There talent and desire was never rewarded. The limiting factor for me in pool is time, but when my kids are older I plan to play and compete more with the expectation of some success. If I were in to racing I would have no such opportunity.
 
difference is in dirtbiking you cant but a muecci,everybody has to buy a scruggs to play.imagine if everybody in pool bought a scruggs,how much would scruggs make therefore he would see the benefit in advertising.

i know i was only piking john. You make a valid point tho...just look at how many leaguers and nits go to the pool hall and drink only TAP water and then want free table time.

The money is there in the sport....the companies don't share it
 
I'm glad pool is cheap. The "industry", if that word is appropriate for pool, should use this fact as a selling point. In pool your achievement and quality of play is directly proportional to your desire and time spent practicing. The same can not be said of racing, rodeo, golf, fishing and a laundry list of other sports. I know plenty of guys who are ace mechanics and awesome drivers that are not able to compete in racing because they simply did not have the cash flow. There talent and desire was never rewarded. The limiting factor for me in pool is time, but when my kids are older I plan to play and compete more with the expectation of some success. If I were in to racing I would have no such opportunity.

very true....didn't you used to be a bad a** on those super fast go carts bro?
 
i know i was only piking john. You make a valid point tho...just look at how many leaguers and nits go to the pool hall and drink only TAP water and then want free table time.

The money is there in the sport....the companies don't share it

C'mon Greyghost, it's not the nits....I play golf with guys who only play golfballs they find, bring snacks in their golfbags from home, only drink the free water from the jugs on the course, and immediately head elsewhere after the round for cheaper pitchers than what can be had at the course. BTW, they are also the first to complain about any condition flaws, maintenance faux pas, poor service, etc. What I mean is, there are nits in all walks of life....lol
 
well this will probably start a 40 page thread but oh well.
i was talking to friend today how we need to make pool exciting etc.

thing is pool is inherently unexciting unless you play it etc.

as some of you know i now am into dirt bikes and street bikes.

i would venture to guess there are as many people who play pool as ride dirt bikes maybe way more.
i just bought a drz400e plated dirtbike today for 2200.guess what now im gonna put skid plate,aftermarket bars,oil,filter,mcct,case savers,radiator guards,antifreeze,
grips,battery tender,i could go on and on.
my point is when you love dirtbiking you go into motorcycle shop and the new ktm bikes are 9000 .
thats how the dirtbike companies can sponsor and pay the pro riders because when your a dirtbike nut like me your going to spend 3-9 thousand on one or more bikes .

if your a pool nut you can buy a cue for 95 bucks join a league and maybe once a year get a new tip.

i know i know there are many in pool who spend more than that but trust me the average motorcycle enthusiasts spend way more on average which is how the money trickes down from the bike companies to the pros.

im not saying the pool crowd is broke or cheap im just saying if you love pool you buy a predator for 500 ,if you love dirtbikes you buy a 9800 dollar ktm,then each year you spend 1000 on maintenance on the bike.

the cue will last forever and might need a tip.


trust me the pool crowd follows the game just as much as the bike crowd but the bike crowd is forced to pay more money to play the game which is how the motorcycle pros get rich.


people always say nobody watches pool its boring etc.

the same amount watch pool as dirtbike racing but the average dirtbike nut spends way way way more because he has too.


they dont sit around dirtbike racing saying . its not exciting and nobody watches.they say we just need the 100,000 that watch to go out and buy a 5000 dollar bike every 3 years .


in pool even if everybody that played pool bought a 200 dollar cue it wouldnt change much because the cue lasts 20 years. the bike lasts1- 5 years and cost 50 times as much.



i would rather watch the dirtbike pros race then watch the masters golf in person but to somebody else dirtbikes are boring.


everybody has some hobby they are in love with ,mines bikes and it costs big money to play.

if someone loves pool it costs nothing to play and thats one of the many reasons pool companies dont sponsor players.

there are many other sports that are the same like golf,every year its a new 500 dollar driver or 55 dollar box of balls that barely last18 holes.


anyway believe me if a brand new dirtbike cost 300 bucks and lasted 15 years and never needed parts honda could not and would not pay chad reed millions to wear honda clothes and ride a honda bike.

I would rather watch you shoot pool than ride a motorcycle, but that's just me.
 
I'm glad pool is cheap. The "industry", if that word is appropriate for pool, should use this fact as a selling point. In pool your achievement and quality of play is directly proportional to your desire and time spent practicing. The same can not be said of racing, rodeo, golf, fishing and a laundry list of other sports. I know plenty of guys who are ace mechanics and awesome drivers that are not able to compete in racing because they simply did not have the cash flow. There talent and desire was never rewarded. The limiting factor for me in pool is time, but when my kids are older I plan to play and compete more with the expectation of some success. If I were in to racing I would have no such opportunity.

great post ,spot on.
 
well this will probably start a 40 page thread but oh well.
i was talking to friend today how we need to make pool exciting etc.

thing is pool is inherently unexciting unless you play it etc.

as some of you know i now am into dirt bikes and street bikes.

i would venture to guess there are as many people who play pool as ride dirt bikes maybe way more.
i just bought a drz400e plated dirtbike today for 2200.guess what now im gonna put skid plate,aftermarket bars,oil,filter,mcct,case savers,radiator guards,antifreeze,
grips,battery tender,i could go on and on.
my point is when you love dirtbiking you go into motorcycle shop and the new ktm bikes are 9000 .
thats how the dirtbike companies can sponsor and pay the pro riders because when your a dirtbike nut like me your going to spend 3-9 thousand on one or more bikes .

if your a pool nut you can buy a cue for 95 bucks join a league and maybe once a year get a new tip.

i know i know there are many in pool who spend more than that but trust me the average motorcycle enthusiasts spend way more on average which is how the money trickes down from the bike companies to the pros.

im not saying the pool crowd is broke or cheap im just saying if you love pool you buy a predator for 500 ,if you love dirtbikes you buy a 9800 dollar ktm,then each year you spend 1000 on maintenance on the bike.

the cue will last forever and might need a tip.


trust me the pool crowd follows the game just as much as the bike crowd but the bike crowd is forced to pay more money to play the game which is how the motorcycle pros get rich.


people always say nobody watches pool its boring etc.

the same amount watch pool as dirtbike racing but the average dirtbike nut spends way way way more because he has too.


they dont sit around dirtbike racing saying . its not exciting and nobody watches.they say we just need the 100,000 that watch to go out and buy a 5000 dollar bike every 3 years .


in pool even if everybody that played pool bought a 200 dollar cue it wouldnt change much because the cue lasts 20 years. the bike lasts1- 5 years and cost 50 times as much.



i would rather watch the dirtbike pros race then watch the masters golf in person but to somebody else dirtbikes are boring.


everybody has some hobby they are in love with ,mines bikes and it costs big money to play.

if someone loves pool it costs nothing to play and thats one of the many reasons pool companies dont sponsor players.

there are many other sports that are the same like golf,every year its a new 500 dollar driver or 55 dollar box of balls that barely last18 holes.


anyway believe me if a brand new dirtbike cost 300 bucks and lasted 15 years and never needed parts honda could not and would not pay chad reed millions to wear honda clothes and ride a honda bike.

And you're just realizing this? :D

(Edit -Don't answer please I'm completely kidding!)
 
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hi

i know i was only piking john. You make a valid point tho...just look at how many leaguers and nits go to the pool hall and drink only TAP water and then want free table time.

The money is there in the sport....the companies don't share it

no problem ,i feel ya. i just felt like throwing my thoughts around a little.
 
Want to make pool exciting again? Go back to playing roll out in 9 ball and 10 ball. It gets old to watch people duck with semi-tough shots or worse yet get out of line when they shouldn't only to duck and play safe and turn a chump into a champion.

I recommend a modified roll out game. You can roll out anytime but the person taking the shot after the roll out must make the ball (opponent gets ball in hand if they miss). That would bring back great shot making and the thrill of possibly missing. Todays game is to play safe when confronted with a tough shot. This would also take away alot of the rolls of the game.
 
hi

And you're just realizing this? :D

ive pretty much known this but like i said the person on the phone today with me was going on about what pool needs.i told them it needs pool companies to make50 ,000,000 a year and like say yamaha ,but that cant happen when it costs 100 bucks a year to play pool.

jmho take care
 
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