When did we start jumping and who did it first?

jump shot

jay helfert said:
Earl jumped a ball and made the shot in the Caesars Tahoe Finals in 1983. It was against Steve Mizerak. He was using his playing cue. I've got the match on DVD. PM me for a copy.

This was the first time I saw a jump shot successfully executed in a major tournament.
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Yes i rember the shot against mezz, i am a young 70 yr but i still say they should ban the shot!! kicking , and knowing the rail to me is a thing you should know.But who am !!! what we talking about????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
first time I was shown how to jump was in 1974. This has got to go back to nearly the time when leather tips were invented. Someone must have seen the ball jump when the butt was raised.
 
First Jump Shooter

As I recall Sammy Jones was the first player who starting jumping balls with a full lenght cue. He was noted for this exceptional talent quite a while ago.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
As I recall Sammy Jones was the first player who starting jumping balls with a full lenght cue. He was noted for this exceptional talent quite a while ago.
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That's my recollection, too. As I recall, the first three recognized as proficient at jumping were Sammy Jones, Earl Strickland and Pat Fleming, but......in September 2004,Hemicudas posted that there was a pool player who had a jump cue in the early 1970's. Sort of.........

hemicudas said:
Marcus Collier, the greatest Bumper Pool player that ever lived, use to carry a bumper pool cue with him for jumping balls on the pool table back in the early 1970s. This idea stuck in the minds of a few people and one of them decided to put a larger tip on it and sell it as a jump cue.
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Based on this information, jump cues were, debatably, around for a full decade before most of us realize. It also sounds like Collier has to be viewed as one of the forefathers of the jump shot in pool.
 
If I remember correctly on the time, I saw Sammy Jones shaft jumping balls in the late 70's at Abner's pool room in San Antonio.

Stones
 
jay helfert said:
Earl jumped a ball and made the shot in the Caesars Tahoe Finals in 1983. It was against Steve Mizerak. He was using his playing cue. I've got the match on DVD. PM me for a copy.

This was the first time I saw a jump shot successfully executed in a major tournament.
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Ask Earl about Billy Graves! :D

Earl came to San Diego on the road when he was 16yrs old and matched up with Billy Graves playing with the two foul push out rules. Billy kept pushing the cue ball where Earl couldn't see it. Earl had never seen this before and would tell Billy to go ahead and shoot. Billy would jump, make the ball and then run out. Earl was in such awe of this, afterwards he had Billy teach him to jump.
 
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you know, every shot is a jump shot, unless you have a perfectly level cue. if you are jacked up on the rail and shooting hard, there is definitely a jump effect. kinda makes you think when you hear rules about no jump shots, doesn't it??
 
hilla_hilla said:
Ask Earl about Billy Graves! :D

Earl came to San Diego on the road when he was 16yrs old and matched up with Billy Graves playing with the two foul push out rules. Billy kept pushing the cue ball where Earl couldn't see it. Earl had never seen this before and would tell Billy to go ahead and shoot. Billy would jump, make the ball and then run out. Earl was in such awe of this, afterwards he had Billy teach him to jump.
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Wow, hilla! Good story! Who told you about this one?

I remember Billy would scare a lot of players with shots his opponents had never seen before. Then he would follow that up with some straight shooting. He was definitely a tough customer.
 
Newton said:
Get tired of hearing "in the old day's we did not use that Hollywood-jump-shit-cue. You should curve around the ball or use the cushions. Jumping should be banned" ......

When did you see someone jumping a ball, in a proper way of course, the first time ? Was fun to see Earl jump in 88' with his break stick, but is there any veterans around here which could "beat" 88' ? Who, When and whit a dedicated jump stick?

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As far as I know, the first custom dedicated jump cue was made by Pete Tascarella after seeing Pat Fleming carrying around a sawed up house stick specifically for jumping. People used just the shaft prior, if they weren't using there full cue.

Meucci came out with their jump cues in the mid-80's, but I think Rick Howard was already marketing his Mace jump cue. But Pete was in the 70's when he made ( and sold) his.

I bought my first break/jump cue in 1988 or so.

Fred
 
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Jumping balls off the table was a cheap way of rescuing a losing position in the infancy of English Billiards. I suspect it is more of a case of when jumping was first banned than when it was first allowed, and as rules became more clearly defined and universally applied it fell from favour.

My personal feelings are that jumping goes against the spirit of the game. It requires less skill to escape a well played safety, but I admit I'm biased by my snooker and English billiards background where it is proscribed. It's no mean feat to escape off one cushion never mind three on a 12 footer with no diamonds to assist your aim.

Boro Nut
 
manwon said:
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Now in the old days, there was no such thing as a jump cue. Players only used their playing cue during the old days.
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A new rule announced at the Derby this year was NO JUMP CUES -- YOU MUST JUMP WITH YOUR PLAYING CUE ONLY

This was effective in 9-Ball, too, not just One Pocket & Banks
 
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JLW said:
I don't think I'm what you would call an old timer (I'm in my 40's), but I remember players talking about and using the jump shot when I was growing up. IMHO the jump shot has been around for quite a while. Whether high profile players were employing the technique in major tournaments is another matter.

Just my .02: I'm one of those who thinks the jump cue should be banned. Maybe it's just the way I was brought up to see the game. Special "jump cues" just seem like cheating to me.
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Ditto, and tap tap tap.

ken
 
1pocket said:
A new rule announced at the Derby this year was NO JUMP CUES -- YOU MUST JUMP WITH YOUR PLAYING CUE ONLY

This was effective in 9-Ball, too, not just One Pocket & Banks
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yep, but strangely enough, in a couple of the tournament pictures, i saw players with jump cues...
 
silvr rcr said:
yep, but strangely enough, in a couple of the tournament pictures, i saw players with jump cues...
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Maybe they were in action (which they could use jump cues).

Fred
 
1pocket said:
A new rule announced at the Derby this year was NO JUMP CUES -- YOU MUST JUMP WITH YOUR PLAYING CUE ONLY

This was effective in 9-Ball, too, not just One Pocket & Banks
yep, but strangely enough, in a couple of the tournament pictures, i saw players with jump cues...
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Cornerman said:
Maybe they were in action (which they could use jump cues).

Fred
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These are listed under tournamnet photos from 2008 DCC. Doesn't look like a action room to me.



schmidtjump.jpg
shanejump.jpg
 
klockdoc said:
These are listed under tournamnet photos from 2008 DCC. Doesn't look like a action room to me.



schmidtjump.jpg
shanejump.jpg
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yep, those were what i was referring to.
strange too, because I even heard the TD say no jump cues, they can jump with their playing/break cue, but if it was a jump/break, the butt could not be unscrewed...

but 1pocket could be right though, because werent they using the tournament tables for action after hours?
just looks like a big crowd for late night action
 
1pocket said:
A new rule announced at the Derby this year was NO JUMP CUES -- YOU MUST JUMP WITH YOUR PLAYING CUE ONLY

This was effective in 9-Ball, too, not just One Pocket & Banks
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Well, I did not mean to start the discussion if we should allow or not, but since it's mentioned that they are banned, why don't we then ban breaksticks,layered tips, pool gloves etc? Why not just make one cue which all have to use? That would be fun..... I guess jumping with a break stick is not allowed either ?

For me the different cues,tips,shafts etc is what's makes the different aspects of pool fun. What if some one makes a type of magic shaft which is so accurate that the aiming business is so not the challenge but the "chess" play of picking the patterns? Should this be banned? (I guess when the pro player are in the zone - they never miss a ball but chosing the patterns is the clue. However this would change if everybody is in the same zone..)

Well, my comments are a little to "sharp" to provoke, so it was not to step on any one's feet :D

So I can conclude that to those saying "In the good old day's we did not jump", this is not correct and my reply could be "They have jumped since the 70ies so don't say that" :)
N
 
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