When did we start jumping and who did it first?

Newton said:
Yupp yupp, the first match would be nice to know, so I can stop the mouth on some of these so called old timers who claims "In the good old days....:" :D

N
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Jay or Freddie might know better - but I never saw anyone
jump OVER a ball till Earl and he only ever used his playing cue.
a Buddy Hall Meucci.

Sammy Jones was the first to jump over a ball from short<1 - 2 ins>
distance - he used just the shaft. IMHO this led directly
to the development of the jump cue.
Personally, I don't like the use of jump cues, though
I have made a few.

I don't think there is any question that Earl singlehandedly
changed the game of pool - cloth manufacturers should
build him a statue.

Dale
 
10 Ball Ring Game

silvr rcr said:
yep, those were what i was referring to.
strange too, because I even heard the TD say no jump cues, they can jump with their playing/break cue, but if it was a jump/break, the butt could not be unscrewed...

but 1pocket could be right though, because werent they using the tournament tables for action after hours?
just looks like a big crowd for late night action
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I think these two photos were taken during the 10 Ball Ring Game.

I remember the shot by Shane, the CB landed on top of the OB and the CB bounced off the table.

Steve
 
8ballEinstein said:
Wow, hilla! Good story! Who told you about this one?

I remember Billy would scare a lot of players with shots his opponents had never seen before. Then he would follow that up with some straight shooting. He was definitely a tough customer.
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I went to play a tournament at College Billiards that my friend Paulus had taken me to. I showed up a couple of days later to practice by myself. Billy walked up to me while I was shooting and asked if he could hit a couple of balls. He broke, ran out one rack and then walked away:cool: . One of the the regulars informed me that was Billy Graves and that he just got out of prison:rolleyes: . I didn't know much about pool (I still don't:o ) and thought it was neat that he could walk out of prison, back into the pool hall and run a rack like nothing.

I was in awe and told some strange guy in a cowboy hat (my ex boyfriend) the story. Sam told me that Billy was legondary in SD and the story about him teaching Earl to jump. A few years later, Sam was playing next to Earl at a tournament at Crystal Park casino. Earl asked Sam where he was from and when he heard San Diego, he asked about Billy Graves and retold the story, lol:D .
 
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klockdoc said:
These are listed under tournamnet photos from 2008 DCC. Doesn't look like a action room to me.



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This was the ring game, and not part of the tournament. That's why.

Fred
 
klockdoc said:
These are listed under tournamnet photos from 2008 DCC. Doesn't look like a action room to me.



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These two photos are in the Accu-Stats television arena. They may have been during the Ten Ball Ring Game. Jump cues may have been allowed in that game. They weren't in the tournaments and not in the after hours games I ran.
 
pdcue said:
Jay or Freddie might know better - but I never saw anyone
jump OVER a ball till Earl and he only ever used his playing cue.
a Buddy Hall Meucci.

Sammy Jones was the first to jump over a ball from short<1 - 2 ins>
distance - he used just the shaft. IMHO this led directly
to the development of the jump cue.
Personally, I don't like the use of jump cues, though
I have made a few.

I don't think there is any question that Earl singlehandedly
changed the game of pool - cloth manufacturers should
build him a statue.

Dale
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A lot of players experimented with jumping balls during practice and in some money games, myself included. Always with our playing cues though. Earl was the first guy I ever saw jump a ball during a tournament match, and it was in the Finals against Mizerak at Caesars Tahoe.

Sammy Jones improved the technique and won a lot of bets jumping over balls with a shaft. He would place the CB a fraction of an inch away and jump straight over the OB. This was in the mid 80's. So these shafts were the first "jump" cues I saw. Thus began the onslaught of custom made jump cues.
 
hilla_hilla said:
I went to play a tournament at College Billiards that my friend Paulus had taken me to. I showed up a couple of days later to practice by myself. Billy walked up to me while I was shooting and asked if he could hit a couple of balls. He broke, ran out one rack and then walked away:cool: . One of the the regulars informed me that was Billy Graves and that he just got out of prison:rolleyes: . I didn't know much about pool (I still don't:o ) and thought it was neat that he could walk out of prison, back into the pool hall and run a rack like nothing.

I was in awe and told some strange guy in a cowboy hat (my ex boyfriend) the story. Sam told me that Billy was legondary in SD and the story about him teaching Earl to jump. A few years later, Sam was playing next to Earl at a tournament at Crystal Park casino. Earl asked Sam where he was from and when he heard San Diego, he asked about Billy Graves and retold the story, lol:D .
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Thanks hilla_hilla. With a lot of credit going to Earl for doing a jump shot in tournament, it sounds like Earl can credit Billy for exposing the shot to him.
 
hilla_hilla said:
Ask Earl about Billy Graves! :D

Earl came to San Diego on the road when he was 16yrs old and matched up with Billy Graves playing with the two foul push out rules. Billy kept pushing the cue ball where Earl couldn't see it. Earl had never seen this before and would tell Billy to go ahead and shoot. Billy would jump, make the ball and then run out. Earl was in such awe of this, afterwards he had Billy teach him to jump.
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Your exactly right. I just heard this story from the man himself during the Mosconi Cup.


Earl told me the story about his jumping got started....on the road going cross country, he busted everyone he played. TILL, he gets to San Diego and matches up w/Billy Graves.

He told me how Billy would push out to a jump, then beat him. Actually he busted him. Earl was bound and determined that wasn't going to happen again.


Earl went and started practicing jumps....nothing but jumps, for the better part of 2 years! He said it got to where ALL the local players were trying jump shots. Tearing the hell out of the cloth!! Earl said the were 'L's ripped in the cloth of every table.

It got so bad the owner of the poolroom offered to pay Earl to move out of town to another poolroom!!

Rick S.
 
jay helfert said:
Sammy Jones improved the technique and won a lot of bets jumping over balls with a shaft. He would place the CB a fraction of an inch away and jump straight over the OB. This was in the mid 80's. So these shafts were the first "jump" cues I saw. Thus began the onslaught of custom made jump cues.
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Just to bump this, Pete Tascarella was making (and selling) jump cues after he saw Pat Fleming jumping with a sawed off house stick. I believe that was in the 70's.

Fred
 
dont know if someone already mentioned this .......but , I remember hearing a story about willie munson , playing in the lite beer world series of tavern pool .the precursor to league championships ....as it goes he jumped a ball to make the 8 and win the tournament ....then scratched .....this was around 1980 , maybe before ....
 
DrJ said:
WOW Barbara you're right...I saw that one too!!! I've been tryin' for years to find that black&white clip again...some people think I'm hosin' them when I describe it....
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I seem to remember that Masconi used a book of matches as a ramp for that shot.
8JIM9
 
In about 75 or 76, one of our local champions went down to Baton Rouge. When he came back he said Buddy Hall was there busting everybody, and a hook was no good anymore because guys were jumping straight over the top of blocking balls without scooping, using full sticks. We learned the shaft jumping technique at the same time.
 
Jumpin Balls

I don't know who made the first jump shot in a Tournament, but Ermand Bullard (DFW .....area) and Gary Seay ( Dunkin,Okla. area.....) were doin' the jump shot on the bar box with the Big Cue Ball back in 1979, all over Texas ,Okla. and Arkansas, and they were quite good at it!

That was when it was two shot roll out, and if either of those guy's rolled out for a jump, you better re-roll out for a cut or a bank, cause it was like shooting a straight in for them.

catpool9:)
 
hippiepool said:
dont know if someone already mentioned this .......but , I remember hearing a story about willie munson , playing in the lite beer world series of tavern pool .the precursor to league championships ....as it goes he jumped a ball to make the 8 and win the tournament ....then scratched .....this was around 1980 , maybe before ....
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It was after Earls famous shot, about 1983 or '84. He was playing Richie Florence, who promoted the Caesars Tahoe event. I watched this match. Willie played great, and made a spectacular jump shot on the eight after getting hooked. Unfortunately, the cue ball got kicked in the side.

Richie got the win and 25K. Willie had to settle for 10K for second, and opened his bead shop in Milwaukee with the proceeds.
 
Newton said:
... When did you see someone jumping a ball, in a proper way of course, the first time ? Was fun to see Earl jump in 88' with his break stick, but is there any veterans around here which could "beat" 88' ? ...
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A lot depends on conditions. Simonis is much harder to jump on than thicker, backed cloth. I remember playing on backed cloth and getting over the full rack, maybe in the late 1970's. Jump shots have been known for maybe 200 years.

The first phase of the recent innovation in jump sticks was the jump rod, which was often made out of metal maybe with a phenolic tip. Those were banned fairly quickly and the equipment regulations specified a minimum weight and length. The regulations also specified a leather or leather-like tip, but that seems to be largely ignored now.
 
Jay

Jay .....thank you for sharing that ......! wasn't sure if i had the story right .............................................
 
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Craig...That was not a 'jump shot', in the sense that we think of them today. Mosconi LAUNCHED the CB off of a matchbook, that was on the foot spot of the first table, onto the 2nd table, to pocket the butterfly shot (six balls/six pockets). He did NOT shoot down on the CB, but instead used a lot of speed, with level cue. A great shot nonetheless...especially for it's day. I also have the shot on tape!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

manwon said:
Partner jump shots most likely go back as pool. I have some old vedio footage of Mosconi making a Jump Shot from one 10 ft table to another and making five balls in different pockets. I think it shot in the 1940's as part of a trick shot demonstration but it was a jump shot!!

Now in the old days, there was no such thing as a jump cue. Players only used their playing cue during the old days.
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