When does BONUS BALL START?!?!?!?!?!
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Barry, I know you're a Bonus Ball franchisee, but do you actually work for the bonus ball pro league? Are all of your answers directly on behalf of bonus ball pro league? Do you have a position (paid) with bonus ball?
Trying to get you to answer any question is foolish either you didnt understand my question or you have no answer to it. No other game compares to this No other game charges to have a league that doesnt associate with an organization. I really dont wish that this game fails but what does it have going for it other then Larrys pockets?
I tried responding, by starting a new thread. (Bonus Ball...Rexamined) It got bounced to the 2nd page in an hour...Heres the link to it ! IMO, it asks a lot of hard questions.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3990228&postcount=1
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Barry, I'm not sure if you're bad at recognizing bait, or you just can't help responding.
Threads like this are started so a handful of guys can banter back and forth sarcastically knocking bonus ball. I dunno why they enjoy that sort of thing, they just do.
They have zero belief it will succeed, and nothing you say will change that. To them, it's a stupid idea and a train wreck in progress.
By responding to thread, you might think you can turn it around and make this an opportunity to promote it and change people's minds. You can't, it's too late. It's 100% a lose/lose for you to reply to threads like this. You won't convert these guys into fans, and if you rise to the bait and say something snippy, you look bad and make BB look bad too.
Threads like this are started so a handful of guys can banter back and forth sarcastically knocking bonus ball. I dunno why they enjoy that sort of thing, they just do.
They have zero belief it will succeed, and nothing you say will change that. To them, it's a stupid idea and a train wreck in progress.
By responding to thread, you might think you can turn it around and make this an opportunity to promote it and change people's minds. You can't, it's too late. It's 100% a lose/lose for you to reply to threads like this. You won't convert these guys into fans, and if you rise to the bait and say something snippy, you look bad and make BB look bad too.
I was not being sarcastic at all. I asked specific questions and recieved no answers.
All I've heard so far is "its good because I say it is" "its taking over" "it plays so well" and "pro players like it."
I've stated I'm neutral on the game itself (minus the name
). The production aspect I totally dislike, but that doesn't seem to be the conversation we're having here.
Please note the term "critical thinking", the word "critical" is there for a reason.
Only thing I ask is to tell me why these claims are true with facts, not just piss on me and tell me its raining.
Have you sold 1,000 sets of bonus balls, 100,000 sets, 1 million sets? How many pool halls have bonus ball leagues so far? I'd love to have a reason to think this game will help pool drastically and I'm asking for those reasons.
All I've heard so far is "its good because I say it is" "its taking over" "it plays so well" and "pro players like it."
I've stated I'm neutral on the game itself (minus the name
). The production aspect I totally dislike, but that doesn't seem to be the conversation we're having here.Please note the term "critical thinking", the word "critical" is there for a reason.
Only thing I ask is to tell me why these claims are true with facts, not just piss on me and tell me its raining.
Have you sold 1,000 sets of bonus balls, 100,000 sets, 1 million sets? How many pool halls have bonus ball leagues so far? I'd love to have a reason to think this game will help pool drastically and I'm asking for those reasons.
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Thanks for ruining it...
That's not how you would conduct a focus group or survey. You don't just say "what game do you like?"
You sit down with people who do focus groups and statistics for a living and they help you work out the details. Then you bring in X number of groups with X number of individuals who try out your new game. They give you feedback on how they like PLAYING the game. Then you also bring in X number of groups with X number of individuals on have them watch pro players play the game. They then give you feedback if they find watching enjoyable and how much they would pay to watch it, if they would pay at all.
Then the number guru's also figure out the percentage for your margin of error in the focus groups.
Obviously you only care about the playability of your game, and if there isn't a huge investment for you to have the balls made and sell them, you don't need to do all this.
But, if you're a promoter or someone who is going to heavily invest in something, you'd be quite naive to not have these types of numbers and studies done.
Taking your words out of context a bit, but you've basically stated "we don't like the way pool is going, so we just changed things up and we're working on the HOPE factor that it will work." And then you just tell everyone you see "this is a great game, take my word for it." That's not how it works.
I agree with you its sad that people aren't watching pool, but I think you should do a bit more homework before you start touting something as such a great game with only a handful of opinions to back this up.
i actually enjoy talking to players on this forum to explain the truth about Bonus Ball or why Larry choses not to have Eight Ball as his game of choice for his professional league. I am not baited, I am the fisher! I post true and accurite information for the thousands of azbilliard fans that don't hate and ridicule every thing on this forum!
I don't knock other games, I play the other games. I simply stress that Bonus Ball is not a gimmick game, it is a strategic game, designed for people that like this type of point scoring game! Some of my top Bonus Ball fans are older Snooker players that hung on to the game because they never liked pool. They like the diffuculty of Snooker and the point structure. every once in a while I will stop what Im doing to clarify my position about Bonus Ball, eight ball for professionals and my distain for Cleary and his ridiculous rambling about a game that everyone knows has some of his people a bit nervous!
Relax every, go play nine ball or one pocket with my personal blessing. Im only on-line to honestly answer intelligent questions because I believe that saying nothing is a sure admission of guilt! I have a lot to say! Amen brother!
I don't knock other games, I play the other games. I simply stress that Bonus Ball is not a gimmick game, it is a strategic game, designed for people that like this type of point scoring game! Some of my top Bonus Ball fans are older Snooker players that hung on to the game because they never liked pool. They like the diffuculty of Snooker and the point structure. every once in a while I will stop what Im doing to clarify my position about Bonus Ball, eight ball for professionals and my distain for Cleary and his ridiculous rambling about a game that everyone knows has some of his people a bit nervous!
Relax every, go play nine ball or one pocket with my personal blessing. Im only on-line to honestly answer intelligent questions because I believe that saying nothing is a sure admission of guilt! I have a lot to say! Amen brother!
Barry, Steve(Watchez) knows all those players personally. He has been around for years.
Your right rodney is playing at the pool room in Vegas lots getting ready. s are other guys, BB is the ONLY bright spot in pro pool today, thats why you have the pro's. (I only been around since 85) so forgive me if i'm green:wink:. I believe BB will do well. One thing that will NEVER happen is the Gaming Commission will not allow book on BB, the NBA couldnt sway them, UNLV with the "Running Rebels" when Tarkainain was the coach(he is a massive person in Vegas history) they couldnt get book on that. the ONLY book on sportig events in NV is contact sports-boxing and MMA, I live in Vegas over 23 years and been in biz there the whole time. You will do well with BB in time, despite what this forum says. But forget the book, that aint gonna happen.
The NSAC or Nevada State Alethic Commission got on the payroll of Don King in the 70's and even before that they over saw contact sports and were o the payroll of the mob, thus allowing for book in Nv on events that happen in Nv. Thats the only exception. I owned a boxing radio show for over 10 years, watched UFC come out of the ground like your doing with BB, its possible. But mark my words BB will never be "On the Board" in any legit book in Nv. Because your no regulated by the NSAC
http://boxing.nv.gov
if you really want to see how they worked around the Gaming Commish look at all the amendments to NRS 463
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-467.html
See the boxing promoters and mob wanted book on something so they chose boxing/contact sport. No team sports, the NBA lobbied the state for years in the 90's they wanted to bring a team to Vegas real bad. The State said "Fine all games are off the board that are played in Nv". the NBA lost interest real fast.
I'm not knocking BB at all, i wish you the very best ad will continue to help in anyway possible, just wanted you to understand that the "gaming/book" part of the overall scope of the BB marketing plan isnt a reality. I wish it could be on the board, it would generate lots of action. If you like I can help broker a deal with a off shore book.<----Gambling police take notice, lol :wink:
best
eric
LOL That's hilarious! Tell us another!
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Hi Eric,
A very true statement, if Eight Ball or Nine Ball were thriving for the professionals, Larry would not have a chance in hell at getting these players to commit. I already know that. money does motivate top players and it should!
Your post on the gambling is not something that Larry discussed with me as he really does run his own show and the league. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no money invested period in this league but it is playing Bonus Ball and I certainly have invested interest in that. I certainly wish him the best and all the players.
When I get back to Las Vegas I will be focusing on amateur leagues for the fall of 2013. Starting small and then progressing forward. I love teaching this game to players and I certainly will continue in this direction for years to come.
LOL...now I like you Cleary...That opens the door to show you the skills I have acquired over the years using illustrator! LOL
A very true statement, if Eight Ball or Nine Ball were thriving for the professionals, Larry would not have a chance in hell at getting these players to commit. I already know that. money does motivate top players and it should!
Your post on the gambling is not something that Larry discussed with me as he really does run his own show and the league. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no money invested period in this league but it is playing Bonus Ball and I certainly have invested interest in that. I certainly wish him the best and all the players.
When I get back to Las Vegas I will be focusing on amateur leagues for the fall of 2013. Starting small and then progressing forward. I love teaching this game to players and I certainly will continue in this direction for years to come.
LOL...now I like you Cleary...That opens the door to show you the skills I have acquired over the years using illustrator! LOL
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I would say I've used illustrator a time or two. :wink:
For the record I hope bonus ball does very well and I will watch it and see if it is a good for TV experience. I am not sure where the revenue streams will come from, hopefully the sponsors with deep pockets are on board and the game will be televised on ESPN, Fox sports etc. Bonus Ball reminds me of the Libertarian Party in years past. They had presidential candidates and for other high profile positions but no candidates in most markets for city council, state rep. etc. Do you build something from the top down or from the bottom up? In my poolroom no one plays bonus ball, knows anything about it or has any intention of paying for the streams. If they don't get the product on TV how will the recreational user know anything about the game? I wish they had built up from local leagues around North America, regional tourney etc., and then did the whole Vegas thing. Just my 2 cents.
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Ehh -- I question this. Doesn't look good. If someone committed fraud, name them. If you don't --- it comes across that no fraud was committed and it's BS. I want BB to succeed -- but the PR of this is just stupid.
