Which game is easier on a BB? Decider stats

johnnyt said:
8 ball is much easier for pros down to strong "b" players than rotation games. You miss position a little and you could have 5 or 6 more balls for a shot. In rotation you miss position you're sol. Breaking balls up is so much more easy in 8 ball. You have many balls to play the breakup from and you can take many patterns to get to the breakout. Anyone that says 8 ball is harder than rotation on a bar box most likely hasn't played a lot of both on a bb imo. Johnnyt
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agree 100%
 
I think SVB mentioned his highest run in 10b is a 14pack. I assume that was on a 9ft table.
 
 
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Diamond69 said:
At Large posted the Pool-Trax data from the Decider between SVB and Earl that just happened. I'm interested in forum members perception on ease of game on BB. I always thought B&R's on a BB were easiest in 9 ball, then 8 ball, and finally 10 ball.

Based on the B&R percentages below, it appears 8 ball is the easiest rack to run on a BB by far. Sure, you have multiple choices in 8 ball, but always felt the congestion of a BB lowered the % of B&R.

Do the numbers below confirm your beliefs? Or change them? Interestingly, the stats bore out the same by both players. So it's pretty significant statistically.


9-Ball (won by Shane 30-20)
- Shane had 9 B&R games in 29 breaks, for 31%. He had one 2-pack and 7 singles.
- Earl had 5 B&R games in 21 breaks, for 24%. His 5 B&R's were all singles.
- Both players combined: 14 in 50 breaks = 28%.

8-Ball (won by Shane 30-22)
- Shane had 16 B&R games in 30 breaks, for 53%. He had one 8-pack (to end the match), one 2-pack, and 6 singles.
- Earl had 8 B&R games in 22 breaks, for 36%. He had one 4-pack, one 2-pack, and two singles.
- Both players combined: 24 in 52 breaks = 46%.

10-Ball (won by Shane 30-27)
- Shane had 8 B&R games in 30 breaks, for 27%. He had one 2-pack and 6 singles.
- Earl had 6 B&R games in 27 breaks, for 22%. He had one 2-pack and 4 singles.
- Both players combined: 14 in 57 breaks = 25%

All 3 Games Combined (90-69 Shane)
- Shane had 33 B&R games in 89 breaks, for 37%.
- Earl had 19 B&R games in 70 breaks, for 27%.
- Both players combined: 52 in 159 games = 33%.
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Never mind what happened in this event. I'm pretty sure if a scientific guy figured the difficulty in running out on a bar box mathematically, it would show that 8 ball is the easiest to run.

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that there are less balls to run, a choice of your pattern, & a choice of which set of balls you are going to take.
 
Anyone know how many BB 8 ball match ups Shane had on TAR? I Wish I kept a list of all the TAR matches and their scores. Johnnyt
 
Primo said:
I call BS on a 27 pack unless I see it on a video! I may even go so far as to call bs on anything over a 10 pack :)
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I backed up my statement with everything but a video. Even a quote of Ralph saying he did it and when he did it. If that's not good enough for you......
 
Johnnyt said:
Anyone know how many BB 8 ball match ups Shane had on TAR? I Wish I kept a list of all the TAR matches and their scores. Johnnyt
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One of the cool features of the new AZB site is, they're tracking EVERYthing now.
You can look up pretty much every old tournament, including TAR.

Here's their page listing all the TAR matches.

http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_and_events/257-the-action-report/calendar/

You may or may not see details about bar table vs. regular but I think almost nothing
happened on a barbox, this may be shane's first TAR barbox event.
There was another barbox challenge with darren appleton vs. scott frost.

I also attached a PDF I found somewhere, I'm not sure who made it, but it has all the info
for every TAR up to 25.
 

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CreeDo said:
One of the cool features of the new AZB site is, they're tracking EVERYthing now.
You can look up pretty much every old tournament, including TAR.

Here's their page listing all the TAR matches.

http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_and_events/257-the-action-report/calendar/

You may or may not see details about bar table vs. regular but I think almost nothing
happened on a barbox, this may be shane's first TAR barbox event.
There was another barbox challenge with darren appleton vs. scott frost.

I also attached a PDF I found somewhere, I'm not sure who made it, but it has all the info
for every TAR up to 25.
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Thank you very much. Very cool of you. Johnnyt
 
I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if I'm repeating. 8 ball on a bar table is very easy when you don't play make it take it. If you make a ball and that means the table is open, 8 ball is a joke. You can make the game much harder by playing make it take it and calling everything, not just the pocket.
 
Woof Biscuit said:
I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if I'm repeating. 8 ball on a bar table is very easy when you don't play make it take it. If you make a ball and that means the table is open, 8 ball is a joke. You can make the game much harder by playing make it take it and calling everything, not just the pocket.
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thats right, they set up those box's to eat as many quarters as possible years ago. been working great ever since.
 
8 ball is a joke at a high skill level! The barbox just makes it more of a joke!( especially as others have said if the table is open after the break!)
 
anyone have break stats for 8ball on a 9ft table?

Just looking for dry break % of any kind for any player.

The recent U.S open 8b was on a 9ft table. Seems like the finals with biado and shane, the dry break % was easily less than 20%.

The New Jersey 8b tournament I was watching on Sunday, there was a lot more dry breaks.

I had a string of dry breaks yesterday and was getting a little aggravated.
 
Some break stats from pool-trax.net ...great source of info.

DRY BREAKS:

The Decider:
SvB: 8/30 Earl: 8/22
27% vs. 36%

Tar 34, 8b set:
SvB: 8/27 Efren: 12/23
30% vs. 52%

Tar 33, 8b set:
Alex: 6/17 Django: 3/19
35% vs. 16%

Tar 28, 8b set:
Corey: 5/14 Schmidt: 5/10
36% vs. 50%

In a nutshell: guys who are known for their powerful breaks (shane and busty) had the best results in 8b,
guys who are known for breaking soft (or just kinda weak) like corey, efren, and maybe JS didn't fare too well.
In every case the guy with higher balls on the break percentage won the set.

Looks like Shane is pretty steady at around 70% wet breaks, 30% dry.
But he sure dialed in that 2nd ball vs. Biado. Sadly pool-trax doesn't have full stats for that one.
Django's powerhouse break outperformed Shane's famous 10b-like break,
sinking something about 15% more regularly.
 
Creedo, thanks for pulling that up those stats.

I think during the U.S open 8b, using the magic rack, there was a lot less dry breaks.

Looks like I need to start working on my break..
 
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CreeDo said:
Some break stats from pool-trax.net ...great source of info.

DRY BREAKS: ...
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CreeDo -- You're probably aware of this, but I'll point it out to make sure (and for other readers). The numbers you showed for dry breaks do not include fouls. That may, indeed, be what gxman was looking for. But it's possible he was really looking for info on unsuccessful breaks, or the percentage of time the breaker does not stay at the table. That would include fouls.

Sometimes it can make quite a difference. For example, in The Decider 8-Ball, Earl broke dry without fouling 8 times, but he also fouled 4 times. So his failed-break percentage, or did-not-stay-at-table percentage, was 55% instead of 36%.
 
AtLarge, thanks for clearing that up.

SVB 8 ball decider SaT(21/30) 70%.
Earl SaT (10/22) 45%

Tar 34 8b
SVB SaT(19/27) 70% 0 FoB
Efren SaT (10/23) 43% 1 FoB
 
I've been re-watching the 8 ball day. Top level play by both guys.

If you have a spare 5 minutes you watch the rack starting at the 1 hour and 19 minute mark- very entertaining- Earl ranting about Shane's side break, Earl complaining about how unfair life is, and then compares the table to a pinball machine :smile:

That and he completes a great runout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dX7psdW6KQ
 
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