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Would someone inform Blue Ballz of the fact that whit and stupidity are not the same?
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Which is more difficult vs the ghost
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Would someone inform Blue Ballz of the fact that whit and stupidity are not the same?
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One rack of 9 ball with BIH after the break is easier than one rack of 14.1 with BIH and then working through the rack,
with a successful second break shot needed to complete the requirement.
Table conditions affect the 14.1 game much more than 9 ball.
The break in 9 ball playing the ghost (BIH after the break) is relatively easy compared to the break in 14.1.
with a successful second break shot needed to complete the requirement.
Table conditions affect the 14.1 game much more than 9 ball.
The break in 9 ball playing the ghost (BIH after the break) is relatively easy compared to the break in 14.1.
Sorry, we’re too busy explaining to you the difference between whit and wit.
...whit is a tiny portion of something.
...wit is mental acuity or a keen sense of humor.
BB’s wit is humor on meth.
I think it depends mainly on whether you're a 14.1 player, or a 9-ball player, as to which is easier.
At the top end of straight pool, there are people who have run 10 racks multiple times in competition and 25-50 in practice. I don't think you would see that at nine ball even with BIH after the break.
Bob, I am a big fan and we are lucky to have you posting on these forums. You bring up a good point, and again skill level impacts the outcome significantly.
I do think you'd be surprised at what people might do with the 9 ball ghost if there was an incentive.
I am nowhere near top tier and once ran 21 racks of the 9 ball ghost. I got a bit fortunate and had to kick in one ball, but for the most part it was just one of those good days where the balls opened up and they looked easy. I'd imagine that someone like SVB could hit a gear where they could indeed rattle off a 25-30 as often as they ran a 3-400 ball run. And a lifetime high of 40-50 seems plausible for the elite.
I'd still rather take SVB beating the ghost 7-0 than running 100 in one inning.
I do think you'd be surprised at what people might do with the 9 ball ghost if there was an incentive.
I am nowhere near top tier and once ran 21 racks of the 9 ball ghost. I got a bit fortunate and had to kick in one ball, but for the most part it was just one of those good days where the balls opened up and they looked easy. I'd imagine that someone like SVB could hit a gear where they could indeed rattle off a 25-30 as often as they ran a 3-400 ball run. And a lifetime high of 40-50 seems plausible for the elite.
I'd still rather take SVB beating the ghost 7-0 than running 100 in one inning.
21 consecutive racks vs the 9-ball ghost? That's impressive! There are so many variations/rules playing the ghost. Some play you have to make a ball on the break, some play if you scratch on the break you lose, some play you have run out the entire rack even if you pocket the 9 ball early. If you play the ghost by those 3 stricter rules, it becomes a whole lot harder to string multiple racks vs the ghost.
It would be interesting to find out if he has a 22-pack against the ghost. He has a 305 at 14.1 in practice even though he rarely plays the game.
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I think the longest known 9 ball ghost “match” was Neils feign livestream a few years ago. I believe the bet was he could get to 120 wins befire the ghost got to 20. Neils barely lost.
I've said this before, racking 9ball with a wooden rack, and a repeatedly same pattern of racked balls, i find it near impossible for anyone to run a 10 pack on a 9ft table on command.
In 14.1 it don't matter what pattern the balls are racked. It don't evem matter if you use a racking aid, it don't even matter if you start with bih and use the same exact break everytime....the spread of the balls are never going to be completely predictable like they are in 9ball with racking aids, pattern racking, bih....and, only 9 balls on the table!!!
you got me
Yeah, I played with none of those rules. When I grew up ghost meant break, take ball in hand, and win the game by any means necessary, so that's how I've always practiced. But yeah, lightning in a bottle for sure. It's funny how high runs can be so, so much bigger than even second highest runs (much less normal play).
I suppose that makes a difference in our conversation. If we had to make a ball on the break I believe we'd all have to go with 14.1. Clearly that's not the case or the run out percentage would be much lower in OP's stats.
If we're comparing top pros though I think that Neils is a good example. If he ran out 5/6 times overall that's 83.3% vs the ghost. Take that to the 20th and you'd see that 2.5% of the time he'd run 20 in a row.
Now, this would also make the odds of him running 40 about one in 1,600, which sounds reasonable. But it's also possible that when someone is on a tear, in dead punch, and their break is working, I could see them out-performing this a bit on occasion. Then again, maybe they'd underperform just as often which would average it out. I'm not the stats guy. But this seems realistic to me. Especially knowing that I'm probably 75% or more against the ghost with the soft rules and can verify the 21 pack (75% would make me 1 in 500 to run 21 and I've probably played the ghost around that many sets).
Yeah, I played with none of those rules. When I grew up ghost meant break, take ball in hand, and win the game by any means necessary, so that's how I've always practiced. But yeah, lightning in a bottle for sure. It's funny how high runs can be so, so much bigger than even second highest runs (much less normal play).
I suppose that makes a difference in our conversation. If we had to make a ball on the break I believe we'd all have to go with 14.1. Clearly that's not the case or the run out percentage would be much lower in OP's stats.
If we're comparing top pros though I think that Neils is a good example. If he ran out 5/6 times overall that's 83.3% vs the ghost. Take that to the 20th and you'd see that 2.5% of the time he'd run 20 in a row.
Now, this would also make the odds of him running 40 about one in 1,600, which sounds reasonable. But it's also possible that when someone is on a tear, in dead punch, and their break is working, I could see them out-performing this a bit on occasion. Then again, maybe they'd underperform just as often which would average it out. I'm not the stats guy. But this seems realistic to me. Especially knowing that I'm probably 75% or more against the ghost with the soft rules and can verify the 21 pack (75% would make me 1 in 500 to run 21 and I've probably played the ghost around that many sets).
To me, 14.1 is much harder to string together.
Just this morning, I put a 5 pack together in a race to 7 playing 9ball....magic rack/ball in hand/9 goes last/scratch on break is loss. End score 7/3.
My 14.1 high run is 47.
I really suck at 14.1.....equal offense type games.
Edit: if it matters.....9 ft diamond.
Just this morning, I put a 5 pack together in a race to 7 playing 9ball....magic rack/ball in hand/9 goes last/scratch on break is loss. End score 7/3.
My 14.1 high run is 47.
I really suck at 14.1.....equal offense type games.
Edit: if it matters.....9 ft diamond.
So you believe Euphemia?
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I think you can now see by all the comments that 9ball is not a good transitional game to 14.1 as 9ball is more single ball choice vs pattern choice play which is why my commet about 8ball being a more natural transition. Not one person commented about being an 8ball player. Over the last 50 years as players moved away from 8ball to the faster game of 9ball, they also moved away from 14.1 as well. I honestly believe that one pocket started to become the replacement game for 14.1 as the new strategy game as it wasn't as long to play as 14.1 to get a win, and required as much thought process pattern play as well.