Which is version of ten ball is preferred?

Positively Ralf

Positively Ralf

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Call shot, call safe? Just call shot? Or do some rather play with slop rules?

Was just wondering because I overheard some players at my local hall arguing over which version makes it better for viewers.
 
Rules. Pffftt! The fewer the better. The simpler the better.

The added rules in 10 Ball are solutions to imaginary problems.

pj <- still like 10 Ball
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What we call Pro10. Basically its exact same rules as WPA but you can carom/combo 10b for a win. No call safety crap. Never a fan of removing the 2way shot. If you want to remove ALL luck go play 14.1. My $.02, nothing more.
 
garczar said:
What we call Pro10. Basically its exact same rules as WPA but you can carom/combo 10b for a win. No call safety crap. Never a fan of removing the 2way shot. If you want to remove ALL luck go play 14.1. My $.02, nothing more.
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^^^^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^^^^
 
Positively Ralf said:
Call shot, call safe? Just call shot? Or do some rather play with slop rules?

Was just wondering because I overheard some players at my local hall arguing over which version makes it better for viewers.
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Personally, I'd rather play 10-ball the old school way, which I grew up on long before its recent popularity. I totally understand why the WPA added call shot rules, but I'd rather play it slop.

Imagine spending much of your growing up playing a sport like football/soccer, and then in your 40's, people who never grew up playing that game changed the rules.


Freddie <~~~ glad you asked
 
Positively Ralf said:
Call shot, call safe? Just call shot? Or do some rather play with slop rules?

Was just wondering because I overheard some players at my local hall arguing over which version makes it better for viewers.
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We just started 10 ball over 9 ball a few months ago. We call our shots if it's not a normal shot. If someone "slops" a ball in, and not sinking their ball, we state it's the opponent's choice. He can either play or have the slop shot guy play. Is this correct?
 
I like call shot. Since I started playing 10-ball on a regular basis, when I go back to 9-ball and someone slops a ball in it annoys me more than it used to.

I liked the idea of call shot call safe at first, but I've come to agree with the consensus that removing accidental safeties from the game isn't worth the cost of also removing the 2-way shot.

I like the rule that the 10-ball only counts as a win if it's the last ball on the table; if you make it early it spots and you continue your run. Very few people in the US (or my part of the US at least) actually play it that way, but I like it.
 
I like call shot but don’t like call safe. I like respotting the 10 if it’s comboed or caromed early. I like the fact that this distinguishes it from 8 ball and 9 ball (non-call shot) if the same players play all three of these games against each other. Played the “pro rules” (can sink the 10 early to win) when they were the only “official rules” and still play them depending on opponent.

Agree with others that the games loses more than it gains by playing call safe.
 
I need slop. I make a lotta balls and cant always tell you where they are going before the shot.

Is am referring to kicking... of course;).
 
I may be in the minority, but I'd rather see called safes than called shots, since accidental safes make up 90% of the luck in rotation games once you get past the break, at least when two good players go at it. IIRC Grady used to have a rule in his 9 ball tournaments where if you missed without calling safe and left your opponent snookered, he had the option of making you shoot again. I love that rule.

As for 2-way shots, I'd allow one called 2-way shot a game, but that's it. Most "2-way shots" are just ordinary misses where the player who missed tries to pretend it was "2-way".

OTOH the only called ball I'd want to see in 10 ball is the 10 ball itself, but if it's made on a called combination the game's over.
 
Positively Ralf said:
Call shot, call safe? Just call shot? Or do some rather play with slop rules?

Was just wondering because I overheard some players at my local hall arguing over which version makes it better for viewers.
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I often play 2-way shots in 9-ball as that is the smart way to play, but when playing 10-ball, I still prefer call shot / call safe. It removes as much luck from the game as you can possibly remove. The player who plays the best and the smartest should virtually always win in a long race when playing by those rules. That's not always the case when playing by other rules.
 
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Call shot call safe is the best way. As far as the feeling of going to play 14.1 if you don't want luck, that is asinine. As even in that game, you can slop in terms of position and get bailed out by another ball to pocket.

I notice that weaker players are the ones who prefer slop.
 
garczar said:
What we call Pro10. Basically its exact same rules as WPA but you can carom/combo 10b for a win. No call safety crap. Never a fan of removing the 2way shot. If you want to remove ALL luck go play 14.1. My $.02, nothing more.
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. . . Yup . . .
 
While I can live with call shot, it takes away some of the multi-purpose skill shots that would otherwise be available. Attempts to litigate the luck out of the game have robbed ten ball it of some of its majesty, which is why I'd always prefer to watch nine ball.

Ten ball played Texas Express, which is the way it's played in Asia, is far better than call shot.

Call shot, call safe is the worst version of pool ever played. It dumbs down the game greatly by eliminating two way shots. Litigating the imagination out of the game in the name of attempting unsuccessfully to remove the luck factor is so absolutely ridiculous that I'd rather watch a game of pill pool.

If I had to rate nine/ten ball on a 1-100 basis, I'd rate it as follows:

Texas Express 10-ball 95
Texas Express Nine Ball 92
Call shot 10-ball 75
Call shot, call safe 10-ball 3
 
Taxi said:
I may be in the minority, but I'd rather see called safes than called shots, since accidental safes make up 90% of the luck in rotation games once you get past the break, at least when two good players go at it. IIRC Grady used to have a rule in his 9 ball tournaments where if you missed without calling safe and left your opponent snookered, he had the option of making you shoot again. I love that rule.

As for 2-way shots, I'd allow one called 2-way shot a game, but that's it. Most "2-way shots" are just ordinary misses where the player who missed tries to pretend it was "2-way".

OTOH the only called ball I'd want to see in 10 ball is the 10 ball itself, but if it's made on a called combination the game's over.
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Yeah, by all means if you come to the table and you don't like the shot you should simply be able to give it back. How F'n dumb :rolleyes:

People defer to Grady way more than they should.
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
Yeah, by all means if you come to the table and you don't like the shot you should simply be able to give it back. How F'n dumb :rolleyes:

People defer to Grady way more than they should.
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If you wind up with a bad shot because your opponent intended it, that's one thing. Dumb luck is another thing altogether. Some people are bright enough to know the difference.
 
sjm said:
While I can live with call shot, it takes away some of the multi-purpose skill shots that would otherwise be available. Attempts to litigate the luck out of the game have robbed ten ball it of some of its majesty, which is why I'd always prefer to watch nine ball.

Ten ball played Texas Express, which is the way it's played in Asia, is far better than call shot.

Call shot, call safe is the worst version of pool ever played. It dumbs down the game greatly by eliminating two way shots. Litigating the imagination out of the game in the name of attempting unsuccessfully to remove the luck factor is so absolutely ridiculous that I'd rather watch a game of pill pool./QUOTE]

If you've got the imagination to play a good two way shot, you should have the imagination to let the world know about it beforehand. Most of those "two way shots" are purely unintentional, the fortunate byproduct of an ordinary miss.
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Ten ball with 9 ball texas express rules is easily the most enjoyable and exciting to watch and to play in my opinion. This is part of the reason why the Bigfoot 10 Ball at the Derby is one of my favorite events all year.

The regular call shot version is ok, but generally I think its a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. That goes double for the rule change about making the 10 ball last, and triple for call shot call safe which is terrible.



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