I say loser racks. It's part of the humiliation of losing. :smile:
Which one? Neutral racker, breaker racks, or loser racks?
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I totally agree. Poor Joe Tucker wrote book to educate players on how to read a rack and inadvertently ruined 9-ball in the process. Then he had to invent a whole new game where the break wasn't important.
I love that old match by the way. Two stallions in their prime, just going head to head with none of the BS and drama of modern players. Keith has the balls all racked and ready to break in less than five seconds after they are in the triangle, and Earl inspects them in passing as he walks to the head of the table. Some of these young guns should be embarrassed about where they are taking the game today.
Absolutely, but today everybody wants a dead-tight rack so they can soft break and make the wing ball every time. Ain't hardly pool anymore, more like a breaking contest.
A lot of marshalls at golf tournaments are volunteers....
....a lot of them are members of wealthy clubs.
We have a lot of good people in this game ...it doesn't have to be full time...maybe a round
or two....one racker could handle four tables.
True, but marshals at golf tournaments aren't impacting play like a racker is and how do we know the racker is "neutral"? Lots of money in the Calcutta in some of those tournaments and money gets bet on the rail. The best neutral racker is the magic rack.
My choices would be either magic rack or breaker racks but nobody cares what I think including me most of the time.
This year will be a pretty good test at the US Open... 9 on the Spot, Narrow Break Box and Accu-Rack Diamond 9 Template... Will see how the pace of play is affected and what the feedback is from the patrons and players alike...
As far as switching to 10ball the only reason that that seems like a good idea is it still isn't played at many events and lots of players still don't have a real deep understanding of breaking it properly...
If you learn to break it you have 6 balls that have a chance of being pocketed... That's why Shane and Ko seem to be ahead of everyone when we go to 10ball.... They are playing 7 ball after they break....
As far as switching to 10ball the only reason that that seems like a good idea is it still isn't played at many events and lots of players still don't have a real deep understanding of breaking it properly...
If you learn to break it you have 6 balls that have a chance of being pocketed... That's why Shane and Ko seem to be ahead of everyone when we go to 10ball.... They are playing 7 ball after they break....
Racking Hell
Man, this will never end until there's a neutral racker with a Magic, Sardo, whatever device that racks nine ball close to the same every time. Bowling... the pins come down, you take a swing, strike, or pick up a spare... that's it. There's too much rack
mechanics going on... I used to say Rack Your Own, but that creates doubt also, even though that's marginally better than loser racks... less *****ing.
Either way, loser racks, winner racks, there's manipulation going on.
Nothing more boring than a 15 minute racking dispute.
You're not getting rid of nine ball... either play that OR ten ball... different rack,
different break. And IMHO a nine on the break should count... that's a part of the game that's exciting for players and people watching the match. Just sayin'. Yeah, make a nine on the break... YEAH!... oh wait, that gets spotted.. yeah right.
Please, somebody come up with a definitive racking device for nine ball.
Rant over... time for one pocket.
Man, this will never end until there's a neutral racker with a Magic, Sardo, whatever device that racks nine ball close to the same every time. Bowling... the pins come down, you take a swing, strike, or pick up a spare... that's it. There's too much rack
mechanics going on... I used to say Rack Your Own, but that creates doubt also, even though that's marginally better than loser racks... less *****ing.
Either way, loser racks, winner racks, there's manipulation going on.
Nothing more boring than a 15 minute racking dispute.
You're not getting rid of nine ball... either play that OR ten ball... different rack,
different break. And IMHO a nine on the break should count... that's a part of the game that's exciting for players and people watching the match. Just sayin'. Yeah, make a nine on the break... YEAH!... oh wait, that gets spotted.. yeah right.
Please, somebody come up with a definitive racking device for nine ball.
Rant over... time for one pocket.
One ball location?
What if the location of the one ball changed? What if it were no longer placed in the front and found a new position in the rack? Breakers would still be required to hit the ball at the front of the rack it's just no longer the one ball. And I did not check previous threads so forgive me if the pros and cons of this idea have been covered before.
What if the location of the one ball changed? What if it were no longer placed in the front and found a new position in the rack? Breakers would still be required to hit the ball at the front of the rack it's just no longer the one ball. And I did not check previous threads so forgive me if the pros and cons of this idea have been covered before.
Well, not quite. I don't have much data for Ko. But at the 2014 CSI Invitational 10-Ball Championship (9-foot table, Magic Rack) he averaged 1.5 balls per break in his 4 streamed matches (33 breaks). Shane had only two streamed matches in that event (16 games), and broke poorly (for him), averaging 0.9. Adding in the most recent of his 10-Ball matches that I watched (on 7-footers and 10-footers), he, too, averaged about 1 1/2 balls per break.
I will bow to raw statistics always. And you are the go to guy.. I just know that before Joe Tucker I wanted to play 9ball... After his new video and working on the break I may actually prefer 10ball since most are behind the curve.....
Your like pushing 90... Of course it isn't that hard anymore... They do have a blue pill for it tho... With what you save on supporting pool you might afford a happy ending.. =P
In the olden days the cloth was napped AND backed... I might have even trusted you to rack....
I really think you should look into a nice place with a yard... Just so you can spend your days yelling @ "those damn kids" to "stay off of it"... your opinions on tattoos, the state of the game, and the Open have pretty much exposed you... I have no idea why you continue to be so angry now that it's over...
This is a pool forum... We all play pool and you have played for more than 50 years... You have tons of insights to share... And WE WOULD ALL LOVE to hear them... I know you don't feel good... I imagine you fight everyday just to get out of bed fighting your back...
All I can say is take a minute before you hit post... Run the imagined faces thru your head that will read what you post before submit reply..
I sent you a PM awhile ago... I told you you were an inspiration to me to still be able to play the game well at your age... I meant that and I still do... You are still building your legacy.. Make it something you are proud of....
Even in the days of 5 second 9-ball racks, a man had a right to at least look at the rack before he broke them to see how he should hit them. I see no reason to take that right away.
The way I see it, if the rolls (both good and bad) are somewhat random, the break should be somewhat random as well. Players wanting to start from a point where you have made a ball and have a clear shot on the next ball in rotation every time takes a lot away from the game.
You could also have the choice of only a push out or a safety and allow no pocketing to continue your run. A push out as the only option after the break creates a disadvantage to the breaker in most cases, but also being able to play a strong safe if it is available gives the breaker an advantage after every break... even dry breaks.
This would solve a lot of problems, but then, it would take too much away from the game as we know it.
Winner rack, using any of the templates. However, rules get changed for 9-ball, 9 does not count on break, all shot are call pocket. Pro level, races are to 11 or 13. If someone runs 11 out, they deserve to win. Don't think I have ever seen any of the pro's run more than 5 racks in a winners break tournament. Bar box is a different animal, my personal opinion is that bar boxes should be left in the bars. The pro's should be playing on 41/2 x 9's. You don't see the PGA tour playing putt putt golf.
I deserve this comeback why? I said nothing about you or Accu-Stats template. I didn't say a word about your tip that you change constantly to make better
. If rack boy's or girls worked 40 years ago for whole poolrooms, why would the not work for tournaments. You don't need a masters degree to rack balls correctly. Johnnyt