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[Chopdoc]

I dont care how good your cue hits. Hit is overrated. If you're paying attention to how the cue feels when you'playing then you're doing it wrong.

Perhaps you can try to look at it this way; it isn't how good a cue can be when it hits great but rather how bad it can be when it hits bad. In other words a great hitting cue allows you to do exactly what you are saying and a bad hitting cue interferes with it by being obtrusive. Now, exactly which kind of hit is obtrusive varies by individual as does which kind of hit is least obtrusive.


If you really have trouble getting your mind around the importance of a quality hit to many people then turn it around and think of it as the lack of a bad it that you want. Some people are less sensitive and distracted by such things as feel and hit than others.

If you really don't perceive it much then you are simply lucky and not so sensitive to it or simply so focused by nature or trianing it matters little to you. A poorly hitting cue will less likely interfere with your play. In that case I am sure you love playing with one of those old aluminum cues from the seventies...... Or maybe a cue with a nice buzz or rattle? That wouldn't bother your game at all, right?

I don't think dismissing the notion out of hand is solution. It discounts something that many people experience even if you don't.

 

[bender_lu]

ill just leave a "short" reply

play what you are comfortable with! POINT

everyone here in my club plays with LD laminated shafts, its only me sticking with my normal one. why?

i dont like this crappy wood and dead feeling and what do i know. every great cue i tried with a 314 shaft felt like a 20 dollar fury afterwards because the construction killed the entire hit and feeling. i didnt invest some bucks into my carolina just to make it feel like a cheap beginners cue and pay 300 dollars for a shaft and saying "i dont care for the feeling" is like saying i own a ferrari but i use wooden wheels because i dont care for the grip. a cue is a piece of art (in my opinion) and every cuemaker has an idea when crafting this cue. putting a shaft on it that kills it is like spitting right into the makers face...

but if YOU like it its ok, but dont try to explain to everybody HOW GREAT it is.... you know there are actually people that have some "feeling" and dont need to calculate every shit here and there (90% of my shots are only feeling...and it works finde for me).

im gonna open a new topic thats becoming EPIC: HELP! Wich aiming system works best with my laminated shaft???

 

[pdcue]

man everyone tries to get on that you're too slow to understand what i'm saying because you disagree with me attitude on here. that's just not true. adjusting a little is way easier to do that adjusting a lot

Do you perhaps believe that if you aim 'perfectly', that will somehow
guarentee you will make the shot?

Still don't get it do you? Adjusting should NEVER be part of your aiming process.
If you don't know exactly where you need to hit the ball before
you ever get down in your stance -IN ORDER TO AIM- you are unlikely
to ever become an accomplished shot maker.

Sooo, any amount of adjustment to where you are going to aim
should have already been determined BEFORE you actually do any aiming.

That is exactly why it is neither easier nor harder, regardless of shaft.

Actualy hitting what you're aiming at: that's a different story.

Dale

 

[01rkclassic]

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[JohnPT]

Perhaps you can try to look at it this way; it isn't how good a cue can be when it hits great but rather how bad it can be when it hits bad. In other words a great hitting cue allows you to do exactly what you are saying and a bad hitting cue interferes with it by being obtrusive. Now, exactly which kind of hit is obtrusive varies by individual as does which kind of hit is least obtrusive.


If you really have trouble getting your mind around the importance of a quality hit to many people then turn it around and think of it as the lack of a bad it that you want. Some people are less sensitive and distracted by such things as feel and hit than others.

If you really don't perceive it much then you are simply lucky and not so sensitive to it or simply so focused by nature or trianing it matters little to you. A poorly hitting cue will less likely interfere with your play. In that case I am sure you love playing with one of those old aluminum cues from the seventies...... Or maybe a cue with a nice buzz or rattle? That wouldn't bother your game at all, right?

I don't think dismissing the notion out of hand is solution. It discounts something that many people experience even if you don't.

You make a good point about bad hitting cues. This is why it's important to invest in a quality cue. However, I didnt suggest in getting junk neither.

I still feel that to many people put too much stock in hit. Let's be honest, although cues have a different feel the difference isn't all that much. There's been mention here of blind tests where multiple test subjects could not determine which cues had ivory joint or steel and etc.

I dont know about you guys but after I make the ball I dont stand around admiring my cue. By then I'm already focusing on the next shot.

The only feel I like is the feeling of making balls. :thumbup:

 

[scsuxci]

i've played with shafts that i had to aim a half a ball off when using inside english! LD shafts minimize how much you have to adjust.

I understand what your saying totally.The most avoided shot by most pros or players in general is inside English cause there's just to much guess work for players to have that kind of control.LD shafts makes it much more feasible to have confidence in these type of shots.Tony Robles said inside English he avoided till he started playing with a Predator shaft.

 

[scsuxci]

the z2 sucks! it buckles every time you have to muscle the ball even a little bit

I hear ya,there's something with that shaft that just doesn't play right for me and I'm a big Predator fan.I've always liked the older stock Predators and I personally play with a Zshaft 1st edition with a lepro tip and the hit is golden for my style of play.The only thing with Lepro tips is out of a box of 50,30 of them are crap but when I get a good one I never miscue at all.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I have a 314 and a Z first gen shafts. I use them mainly on a Schon.
They work well but I would have to question as to whether they are better than the original Schon shaft wood.
Don't get me wrong, they pocket balls perfectly. Thats why I use them, if they didn't they'd be sold.

There is nothing wrong with laminated shafts but in my humble opinion, there is nothing better than a piece of AAA maple shaft wood, tapered to your preference with decent ferrule material and your tip of choice.

There. See how I can sit on the fence perfectly and not PO anyone. I should have been a politician.

 

[poolplayer2093]

Do you perhaps believe that if you aim 'perfectly', that will somehow
guarentee you will make the shot?

Still don't get it do you? Adjusting should NEVER be part of your aiming process.
If you don't know exactly where you need to hit the ball before
you ever get down in your stance -IN ORDER TO AIM- you are unlikely
to ever become an accomplished shot maker.

Sooo, any amount of adjustment to where you are going to aim
should have already been determined BEFORE you actually do any aiming.

That is exactly why it is neither easier nor harder, regardless of shaft.

Actualy hitting what you're aiming at: that's a different story.

Dale

You're still too slow to get it aren't you. adjusting 1mm is easier than adjusting 5.

like shooting a rifle in the wind. 1mph is easier to adjust to is easier than 10.

it's cool you're too busy being condescending to accept that someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they're too dumb to understand. it means they don't agree with you. you believing you're right doesn't make it so

"Do you perhaps believe that if you aim 'perfectly', that will somehow
guarentee you will make the shot?"

really??? the fact that you would even ask that shows that you're the type of guy that believes everyone else is really too dumb to get what you're saying.

 

[Black-Balled]

I believe a 'good hitting cue' is one that results in the expected outcome of striking the ball- the CB goes where you intend it to- it is not really some sensation the shooter gets from the impact.

There is a reason the market supports sales of all types of shafts, some people feel the LDs react intuitively, some prefer au natural.

AKA: That’s why they make Almond Joy and Mounds.

Take that, Blue Hog.

 

[Matt_24]

the z2 sucks! it buckles every time you have to muscle the ball even a little bit

I have to disagree with you bro.

I have a pre-cat 314, and 314-2....and once I gave the Z2 a solid shot (a month of play) I will never go back. And I DID NOT like it at first. With the Z2 you don't need to muscle the ball. You have to take something OFF of your stroke it gives you so much action on the cue ball. Give it a second chance.

 

[Matt_24]

So, the diference between shooting a shot and aiming a shot is a mystery to you.

Are you sure you are a good player? You also claimed to be above average
in knowledge. I'm having my doubts.

Dale(who should have known better)

Man, you are a really nice person.