Which table do pros prefer?
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I dont think it really matters as long as the table is in good shape, I know if I were playing for big $$$$$$$ I want the best equipment possible, the brand of the table really doesnt matter. It may take a few minutes to adjust, going from table to table, but you have that within exact duplicates of a table brand so its really a non issue..
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I haven't met anyone who did not like GC I and II's.
Most I know do not like Olhausens.
Diamond tables are very nice but the old ones with the Chinese-made rubber banked short. The end rails cushion facings are also too flat on Diamonds imo.
Too tough of a table to shot rail shots imo.
I think the best table there is today is the Gabriel's table.
Most I know do not like Olhausens.
Diamond tables are very nice but the old ones with the Chinese-made rubber banked short. The end rails cushion facings are also too flat on Diamonds imo.
Too tough of a table to shot rail shots imo.
I think the best table there is today is the Gabriel's table.
Most of the guys I have heard talk or asked all seem to want the same things.
Consistent rails...they can play short or long as long as they do not change too much over the course of a session or tournament.
LEVEL table...no roll when you lag a ball to the hole.
Tight pockets. Tighter the better.
Diamond is the leader by a wide margin in my informal polls. Gold Crowns next, never heard anyone say Olhausen or any other brand.
Consistent rails...they can play short or long as long as they do not change too much over the course of a session or tournament.
LEVEL table...no roll when you lag a ball to the hole.
Tight pockets. Tighter the better.
Diamond is the leader by a wide margin in my informal polls. Gold Crowns next, never heard anyone say Olhausen or any other brand.
JoeyInCali said:
The GC tables are proboly my favorite, , I say as long as you have a clean pocket drop Im in.. The pocket doesnt have to be huge, tight is fine as long as when it should drop, it does. There are more tables out there I like rather than tables I dont, Id be happy with a Diamond, GC, Gandy, Murrey, Gabriel, as long as they are 9' have 100% wool cloth and good balls, Bruswick Centenials are number 1 in my book, but I also like the Aramith Pro balls as well.
Rails? well you know if they bank short, shoot em short. If they bank long bank em long, this is one aspect where speed matters, and you can adjust accordingly. So if your banking on a Diamond Professional and they are banking short, bank more softly, Ill bet you wont have to change your speed all that much, and Id rather have to bank soft, rather than hard. your speed IMHO can be more consistant if you do not have to strike the balls hard. That aslo means you can play shape more consistant as well.
just me..
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I like them, but I have met many one-hole players who do not like them beacause they are usually shimmed to get tighter pockets, rather than having longer rails.JoeyInCali said:
Good call. I love the way Gabriel tables play, but they are pretty hard to find here in the states. Well, pretty hard to find with pockets anyway.JoeyInCali said:
You can't beat a gold crown period.
JCIN said:
Diamond deserves HUGE props for its marketing. At a tournament, I heard a road player (no sponsor endorsements) say he thought Diamonds were WAY better than GC IIs. LOL! What may be "the best" table is largely a matter of personal opinion but nothing is WAY better than a GCII.
I have a pro model Olhausen with ACCU-FAST cushions and love it. My table tech tells me that ACCU-FAST cushions are considerably more expensive than those used by Diamond.
He also tells me that in his CONSIDERABLE experience, many if not most pool hall operators do a poor job of keeping the rail bolts tightened up.
They do it only when the cloth is changed and that assumes that the tech takes the time to do it right.
I think that a LOT of opinions are formed about tables based on false assumptions resulting from improperly tightened rail bolts that can radically alter rebound behavior and worst of all, cause a given rail to be WAY more or less lively than the others on the same table.
I recently got eliminated from a local tournement (Diamond tables) when I thinned the 9 Ball into the side with JUST enough pace to send the CB to the foot rail and back to about center table but it rebounded all the way back to the opposite corner pocket for a scratch!! It seemed to almost GAIN speed off that side of the foot rail.
I just mention all this to point out that the rail bolts can and do have a huge impact on table playability.
Regards,
Jim
My table tech tells me that ACCU-FAST cushions are considerably more expensive than those used by Diamond.
I don't think that's true with the Aretmis cushions.
The Olh's rubber is really neither a K55 or K66 profile.
I don't think that's true with the Aretmis cushions.
The Olh's rubber is really neither a K55 or K66 profile.
Phillippines
Brunswick seems to be very popular over there, WPC, etc. with the Metro table. The metal around the pockets would seem to be a knock on that table. Wonder if they prefer that table or if it was provided to them. Jay Helfert probably knows the most popular table over there since he spent several days over there visiting rooms.
Brunswick seems to be very popular over there, WPC, etc. with the Metro table. The metal around the pockets would seem to be a knock on that table. Wonder if they prefer that table or if it was provided to them. Jay Helfert probably knows the most popular table over there since he spent several days over there visiting rooms.
Tables
I like the Diamond and Gabriels. The Gabriels table are very heavy duty and everything bolts together, so there is no wood screws stripping out or any of that. I own a Gabriels and love it but would trade it for a Diamond Proam with 1 piece slate. I'm a busy body, always moving and rearanging things. It would be nice to have a one piece slate table that I didn't have to reseam and refelt everytime I make a change. So if you have a big pile of proams laying around and want to try a Gabriels, let me know
I like the Diamond and Gabriels. The Gabriels table are very heavy duty and everything bolts together, so there is no wood screws stripping out or any of that. I own a Gabriels and love it but would trade it for a Diamond Proam with 1 piece slate. I'm a busy body, always moving and rearanging things. It would be nice to have a one piece slate table that I didn't have to reseam and refelt everytime I make a change. So if you have a big pile of proams laying around and want to try a Gabriels, let me know
Metro if they can afford it.steveharn said:
GC copy Kangaroo table is very popular there too.
OF course AMF-Puyat too.
av84fun said:
Actually.. It sounds more like you were playing in a damp environment.. JMHO.
Also MHO, is that a Diamond with the proper rubber on it, is in fact, WAY better than a GC-anything. All things being equal, the GCs have metal pockets with raised rubber edges, and the Diamonds have flat, leather pockets, allowing for a level cue shooting out of the jaws of the pocket. That in itself makes in WAY better, again.. JMHO. Have you never gotten rubber on your cue playing on a Gold Crown? NEVER?????
Also, you can get a Diamond Pro tight straight from the factory with little trouble. If I had a dime for every Gold Crown that I played on that had shims that made the pockets play wonky, I'd be a rich man.
It is my opinion that Diamonds are doing better among the real players nowadays not because of marketing, but just because they are a better table to play on. They reward good play. They punish inaccurate play. Barring the tables that had the wrong rubber on them in the beginning, Diamonds play with a rather remarkable consistency, from what I have seen. I would not say that has been the case with Gold Crowns I have played on.
Russ
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