That's crazy talk, seriously. Efren Reyes couldn't run a rack like that.
Which Variable Is the Cause of Most Missed Shots
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That's crazy talk, seriously. Efren Reyes couldn't run a rack like that.
ill play any player alive if they play without chalk. That will guarantee center ball hits every shot. Come on man, it’s impossible to play high level pool without playing all over the cb.
I am going to try to tell you gently, you are dead wrong. I spent years gambling without needing more than a half tip of english more than once or twice a night. I didn't use but the tiniest bit of side.
Over 90% of my game was speed and angles. I did use high and low, little or no side. Playing nightly I went so long between scratches playing with house cues that I couldn't remember my last scratch.
I have heard many times that once somebody mastered speed and angles they didn't need side. A slight exxaggeration but there were a lot of six or eight hour sessions where I never needed side. Some nights I realized I hadn't used more than a tiny bit of side all night.
Side made me a lot of money, other people using it too much.
Hu
Happens more often than I'd like to admit.
We had a match hustle that involved a very pretty girl and it was quite successful over the years.
Very profitable in the right setting.
I'll expond on it one of these days. Was a beaut!!
Arts, do you think he'd play anyone 'Without a Tip'?
No tip on the end of the shaft!
You can't stay in Dead Stroke if you're in your head!!
Do you recall those times when you put the numbers up and couldn't recall how long you'd been playing or any of that extraneous garbage??
You weren't 'Thinking'.
You were 'Doing'.
The Zone, Dead Stroke, whatever you want to call it can't be reached unless you get out of your own head. At that level, you shouldn't have to think that much about getting out. Look at the lay and do it. No extra thinking involved. You've allowed yourself to hit an alpha state in which muscle memory takes over and the rest is history.
Reaching this state requires intense focus for most players, a few others grasp it on command. They are the 1%ers.
I find most better players peak bcuz they sabotage their own game. Get out of your own way and let your knowledge and experience take over. Clear focus on the objective at hand.
Do this often enuf and you'll start to see things happen.
Well crap. There I go.
Never shoulda got out that damn soapbox.
Just don't take the lollipop.The REAL reason people miss is they go on forums and ask random strangers why they miss.
Park your ass in the middle of the table, use angle and speed for shape to make all those short easy shots. Nothin' to it!!
God bless you Hu!! You're a gentleman and a scholar. We coulda ruled the world bro!!
Send me a pmWe had a match hustle that involved a very pretty girl and it was quite successful over the years.
Very profitable in the right setting.
I'll expond on it one of these days. Was a beaut!!
I didn't say center ball, I said no sidespin. You can actually induce side spin at an angle with draw or follow without hitting off center horizontally. By using speed, angles and follow and draw, you can get almost anywhere on the table.
Jaden
Well, snatch the lollipop and run, but definitely don't get in the van...Just don't take the lollipop.
Jaden
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SeniorTom
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You spent a lot of words in your explanation, but I agree with most of it. When we get too much into our conscious mind, we have a tendency to mess up the shot. In the zone, it doesn't take a lot of thinking, just doing. "Just do it !"You can't stay in Dead Stroke if you're in your head!!
Do you recall those times when you put the numbers up and couldn't recall how long you'd been playing or any of that extraneous garbage??
You weren't 'Thinking'.
You were 'Doing'.
The Zone, Dead Stroke, whatever you want to call it can't be reached unless you get out of your own head. At that level, you shouldn't have to think that much about getting out. Look at the lay and do it. No extra thinking involved. You've allowed yourself to hit an alpha state in which muscle memory takes over and the rest is history.
Reaching this state requires intense focus for most players, a few others grasp it on command. They are the 1%ers.
I find most better players peak bcuz they sabotage their own game. Get out of your own way and let your knowledge and experience take over. Clear focus on the objective at hand.
Do this often enuf and you'll start to see things happen.
Well crap. There I go.
Never shoulda got out that damn soapbox.
When I got back into pool three years ago, I spent the first year practicing centerball drills and teachings by Tor Lowy. Prolly 10-15 hours a week.
I learned two things.
I can get to almost anywhere on the able using the vertical line of the cue ball. And knowing where the CB would land using follow/center/stun/draw gave me a reference point for where the CB would go using left or right spin.
I have since learned a third thing: You don't need to use as much spin as you think you do to get to your desired location.
I think one problem stems from the coolness factor. For many years I never used ANY sidespin. Then Efren taught me BHE. Regrettably, I didn't even try it for 3 years after he taught it to me, but once I did, I may have overdid it a bit. When you can reliably use 3 tips of sidespin and accurately and consistently make shots, you like the coolness factor and may over use it.
I mean what's cooler than being on the wrong side of a shot into the side pocket and using 2.5 tips of inside follow to shoot over to the opposite side of the table with perfect shape?
Hell, I have a video posted of doing a clock drill where I make easily 17 or 18 shots in a row using 2 tips of different side spin on every shot and don't get me wrong, it is absolutely necessary to be able to accurately use side spin for when it is the correct shot to use. Don't even get me started. You need to be able to throw a ball with a soft spin shot when you can't see enough of it, you have to be able to change the angle and transfer sidespin for some banks, etc.
Try playing high level one hole without being able to accurately use sidespin, good luck with that.
BUT, once people start being able to use it, they use it way too often and way more of it than they need for most circumstances.
Jaden
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I stand by my statement. A player that doesn't use spin on most shots simply can't play. Watch ANY pro under the sun, they all spin the ball about every shot. Even the 9 ball! We went through this for years and years and years on here.
Hu, you spent years on here telling us you beat bangers and made your living doing that. Sure, in a hustling case like that, the less flashy the longer you keep your hook. You're not beating any legit players on legit equipment without spin on most shots.
Now someone is going to bring up "The Taiwanese players rarely spin the ball". Yeah right, go watch the reruns on the Hanoi Open of the Ko Brothers and tell me they don't spin the ball.
I wish McCready were still around on the forum to tell us to "play all over the CB" like pool was intended to be played. Or any match Strickland commentates.
Hu, you spent years on here telling us you beat bangers and made your living doing that. Sure, in a hustling case like that, the less flashy the longer you keep your hook. You're not beating any legit players on legit equipment without spin on most shots.
Now someone is going to bring up "The Taiwanese players rarely spin the ball". Yeah right, go watch the reruns on the Hanoi Open of the Ko Brothers and tell me they don't spin the ball.
I wish McCready were still around on the forum to tell us to "play all over the CB" like pool was intended to be played. Or any match Strickland commentates.
Why don't you watch Filler play for a bit and see how much side spin he uses on most shots?
BTW, you can probably EASILY find posts of mine where I state that I use side spin on almost every shot and of me showing VERY similar sentiments to those I quoted of you above and while it my be true that most of the higher level players use side spin often, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of elite players use less of it more often than you'd probably think.
Jaden
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None of the fancy Dr Dave crap
You just didn’t try hard enough
You just didn’t try hard enough
In the mid 60''s - 80 the Top 1 Hole player in the Midwest beat All 'Road Players' that came thru.
He Never used more than 1/4 Tip of Any English, Follow, Draw or R & L.