Who are the best butterfly cue makers

pharaoh68 said:
well said. Lol.

Not saying Billy ain't great at all. But I am saying is Bill's opinion isn't as expert as he thinks it is.
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pull down your pants and slide on the ice! (or just chill)I understand that I will never have the vast knowledge that you have!because you are a legend in your own mind! and i know that handling 1000s of cues does not make me a authorty on any thing except that they are pool cues and my opinion will never be good enough for a guru such as your self! so i humbly bow to your majesty the Pharo!!!!!! how many webbs and fenellis have you personally looked at! there are some fantastic people on this forum ! then ther are the small % of people that are always negitive and condiscending and they make it a unpleasent experiance to voice any opinion! Pharo you have a nice day,maybee that will cheer you up!:D
 
buddha162 said:
Lol...

Bill Webb makes a great cue, and I would even consider him for the #2 spot after Paul if we're talking about prolific butterfly CM's, but please don't babble about this as if you know what you're talking about. Don't say so and so "world class cuemakers" said this or that; you're in the bid'nus aren't you? Just come out and post what exactly falls short in Paul's cues compared to Bill's.

Then again, you also think Richard Black is a world class cuemaker. Did you ask him?

-roger
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yes richard is a world class cuemaker, he was one of the few that made this hobby what it is today and pushed the envlope on design! No doubt
 
cornerstone said:
pull down your pants and slide on the ice! (or just chill)I understand that I will never have the vast knowledge that you have!because you are a legend in your own mind! and i know that handling 1000s of cues does not make me a authorty on any thing except that they are pool cues and my opinion will never be good enough for a guru such as your self! so i humbly bow to your majesty the Pharo!!!!!! how many webbs and fenellis have you personally looked at! there are some fantastic people on this forum ! then ther are the small % of people that are always negitive and condiscending and they make it a unpleasent experiance to voice any opinion! Pharo you have a nice day,maybee that will cheer you up!:D
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Billy Webb's?? Seen a handful.

Paul Fanelli's? Well, considering I've been in his shop MANY times (and even owned one that YOU sold on YOUR site), I just might have seen more than you! Ya never know.

BTW, either get a dictionary or a spell-checker. It took me six reads to figure out what you were saying above.

Love ya,
B ;) :D ;)
 
I dont know why there always has to be these threads that seem to pit one cuemaker against another as we all can see there are differing
OPINIONS on whos work is the BEST..........:cool:
So, basicaly you buy who you want to buy and ill buy who i want to buy ...
IMO of course.........:D
 
cornerstone said:
we used the 7 venner red and black billy web and a coco pf, and the thing that came up was the glue lines and the uneven points on the fenelli, like the black cue above see how the first point is a 1/4" longer. that is what we seen also!
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Go to www.classiccues.com and blow up that picture. Notice how there's a thin line of glare running up and down the forearm at exactly the same location in the bottom cue? 1/4" my ass, get a clue before you start running your mouth.

Anyone who knows anything about Paul knows he's a perfectionist. From wraps to tips to points and veneers, you won't find a more meticulous cuemaker working today.

-roger
 
buddha162 said:
Go to www.classiccues.com and blow up that picture. Notice how there's a thin line of glare running up and down the forearm at exactly the same location in the bottom cue? 1/4" my ass, get a clue before you start running your mouth.

Anyone who knows anything about Paul knows he's a perfectionist. From wraps to tips to points and veneers, you won't find a more meticulous cuemaker working today.

-roger
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Rog,
I didn't realize he was talking about firefly.. uneven points.. lol.. I think when he was getting a happy ending he turned over to quick and it must have rattled his noggin.

JV (---just a theory...
 
classiccues said:
Rog,
I didn't realize he was talking about firefly.. uneven points.. lol.. I think when he was getting a happy ending he turned over to quick and it must have rattled his noggin.

JV (---just a theory...
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ffs Joe...

-roger :eek:
 
I have to add Mariposa cues as doing some nice work, his veneers also overlap.I also have not seen any work that uses that type of veneers.
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fbass4u said:
I have to add Mariposa cues as doing some nice work, his veneers also overlap.I also have not seen any work that uses that type of veneers.
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Simply beautiful,sir..........:)
 
buddha162 said:
Lol...

Bill Webb makes a great cue, and I would even consider him for the #2 spot after Paul if we're talking about prolific butterfly CM's, but please don't babble about this as if you know what you're talking about. Don't say so and so "world class cuemakers" said this or that; you're in the bid'nus aren't you? Just come out and post what exactly falls short in Paul's cues compared to Bill's.

Then again, you also think Richard Black is a world class cuemaker. Did you ask him?

-roger
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This really shouldn't be a Paul vs. Billy thread. Billy looks up to Paul and has spoken at length with him on cue techniques {edit correction: they've emailed each other a few times}. It was Paul Fanelli's work here that inspired Billy to concentrate on butterfly cues.

Billy considers Paul the best butterfly cuemaker out there, and he also considers him one of the greatest cuemakers ever.

That being said, in the cues Billy is making today (not yesteryear), his multiple buttefly points are as technically perfect as I've seen. I would have thought it was impossible for some of his points to line up, for example, seeing that I've never seen other butterfly cues of similiar design line up as well.

I didn't see any glue lines in his latest cues, but then again, I"ve only seen a half dozen of his latest. He's making his butterfly cues a little differently than most everyone else, but he's too humble to consider his techniques anything but different techniques that work for him.

So, there's no need to put Billy behind or ahead of Paul. They're both doing outstanding work. Billy has made such improvements that I think other butterfly cuemakers should also be asking him what he does different. In other words, he should absolutely be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Fanelli. And it is true that of the cues Bill Grassley had at the DCC, Billy Webb's cues stood out as the top butterfly execution in his lot.

And, we need to keep Barrenbruggue, Van Den Bosch, and Miltonio in mind. And has everyone seen the work Dishaw has been putting out? Fantastic stuff.

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Fred <~~~ thinks Paul Fanelli is #1
 
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Bump.... since this seemed to get lost during the AZ outage yesterday.

Fred <~~~ wanted to link the Dishaw
 
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Are Pauls glue lines better than mine?? I think they probably are and I wont tell you why. Do my points line up better than his. I think yes and again I wont tell you why. Does that make me better than him. Never. He is so far above and ahead of everyone else that he reminds me of that Shane guy that plays pool. I dont know much either but Paul may be the greatest of all time in the kinds of cues that he makes. We do things different and he gets better glue line and I may get truer points, and I will never have glue lines small as his because some things I will never change. And yes I did steal the idea from pauls cues and I have never spoken to him on the phone, ever. We did a few e-mails and thats it. I didnt ask a lot of questions because trying to figure things out is half the fun.
I also like Mariposa cues and they are in a class all alone as well. Butterfly cues take a long time to make and if you are in it for the $$ then its the wrong way to go. I think people make them because they want to not because they have to. I know I can make more $$ in half the time if I would just make 6-point cues.
 
Cornerman said:
This really shouldn't be a Paul vs. Billy thread. Billy looks up to Paul and has spoken at length with him on cue techniques {edit correction: they've emailed each other a few times}. It was Paul Fanelli's work here that inspired Billy to concentrate on butterfly cues.

Billy considers Paul the best butterfly cuemaker out there, and he also considers him one of the greatest cuemakers ever.

That being said, in the cues Billy is making today (not yesteryear), his multiple buttefly points are as technically perfect as I've seen. I would have thought it was impossible for some of his points to line up, for example, seeing that I've never seen other butterfly cues of similiar design line up as well.

I didn't see any glue lines in his latest cues, but then again, I"ve only seen a half dozen of his latest. He's making his butterfly cues a little differently than most everyone else, but he's too humble to consider his techniques anything but different techniques that work for him.

So, there's no need to put Billy behind or ahead of Paul. They're both doing outstanding work. Billy has made such improvements that I think other butterfly cuemakers should also be asking him what he does different. In other words, he should absolutely be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Fanelli. And it is true that of the cues Bill Grassley had at the DCC, Billy Webb's cues stood out as the top butterfly execution in his lot.

And, we need to keep Barrenbruggue, Van Den Bosch, and Miltonio in mind. And has everyone seen the work Dishaw has been putting out? Fantastic stuff.

Fred <~~~ thinks Paul Fanelli is #1
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I agree that this shouldn't be primarily a ranking contest between cuemakers, but I am also fed up with the kind of loose relativism that's animating a lot of opinions about cues on azb. Who are the BEST butterfly cuemakers was the topic, and going through these pages you'll find names of anyone and everyone who've ever experimented with butterflies.

Then you have a cuedealer come on, with the authority of hiterto unnamed "world class cuemakers," and proclaim that HE knows who is the best. Then when pressed he presents an erroneous piece of evidence to support his ludicrous claim. That is douchebaggery, plain and simple.

Bill makes great cues, but I do have someone at the top in mind and I don't think it's in poor taste to say so under a proper context (ie this thread).

-roger
 
cornerstone said:
we used the 7 venner red and black billy web and a coco pf, and the thing that came up was the glue lines and the uneven points on the fenelli, like the black cue above see how the first point is a 1/4" longer. that is what we seen also!
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Bill-

You just showcased what I've been saying for months now. You ARE unintelligent AND uninformed. You are basing your "expert" opinion on a picture, and a low-res one at that.

Here. Click on this link. Once you do, click on the enlarge tab to blow it up.

http://www.classiccues.com/graphics/cues/cues_all/fanelli/fanelli_mark_joe.jpg

That 1/4" differential is actually a line of glare from the overhead lighting used when the picture was taken. God! Every time you respond to something with your expert opinion, you make yourself look more foolish.
I know this request is going to fall on deaf ears but please, do yourself a favor. Don't respond anymore. All you can do is weaken your image in other people's eyes.

-B <------ knows you're going to respond anyway.

PS- No one is saying Billy doesn't make decent cues. No one is saying his execution isn't great. But seriosuly Bill, how many of these guys are doing designs like these???
http://www.classiccues.com/graphics/cues/az_fun/group_1_all_hi.jpg
 
buddha162 said:
I agree that this shouldn't be primarily a ranking contest between cuemakers, but I am also fed up with the kind of loose relativism that's animating a lot of opinions about cues on azb. Who are the BEST butterfly cuemakers was the topic, and going through these pages you'll find names of anyone and everyone who've ever experimented with butterflies.

Then you have a cuedealer come on, with the authority of hiterto unnamed "world class cuemakers," and proclaim that HE knows who is the best. Then when pressed he presents an erroneous piece of evidence to support his ludicrous claim. That is douchebaggery, plain and simple.

Bill makes great cues, but I do have someone at the top in mind and I don't think it's in poor taste to say so under a proper context (ie this thread).

-roger
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Douchebaggery! Rep for that one!!!
 
jfscues said:
I was asked the other day to make a cue with overlapping butterfly
points. this isn't my cut of tea. I only know 4 cuemaker who can
do this correctly. altough there are a lot of wantabe's and bignames out there who think you just can glue on sum veneers and cut a point over the veneers. there missing the boat. so if you really want a real butterfly cue you should contact one these guys. Paul Fanelli, Billy Webb, Mariposa cues by Kyle Van den Bosch, Barenbrugge cues
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So who has contact info for Fanelli, Webb or Mariposa?

Thanks
 
Wrong Forum

What is it you have for sale or trade????????/
jfscues said:
I was asked the other day to make a cue with overlapping butterfly
points. this isn't my cut of tea. I only know 4 cuemaker who can
do this correctly. altough there are a lot of wantabe's and bignames out there who think you just can glue on sum veneers and cut a point over the veneers. there missing the boat. so if you really want a real butterfly cue you should contact one these guys. Paul Fanelli, Billy Webb, Mariposa cues by Kyle Van den Bosch, Barenbrugge cues
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